Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/15/2010
Please consider what I and others are sayin

Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/15/2010

colonel - hard to keep up with your evolving views

opinion #1 (colonel in bold)

"it isnt luck that causes it - it is success - which creates enhanced prestige and opens the window to those better players But its luck to see who drops down and who doesn't, its something that varies from season to season and such players are only available to the elite teams in D2 or D3, further driving a rift between the very good and very bad teams in those divisions."

opinion #2 (again, colonel in bold)

"it isnt luck - with knowledge and analysis one can do a very good job predicting who will drop, who will be available etc - if it appears to be luck to some that reflects their lack of experience and understanding of the process. they should begin by reading the many threads on the topic But you don't know for certain who is going to drop and who isn't, thus there is some luck/unpredictability involved. Like I said before, I'd be much happier if we didn't have drop downs at all...it further muddies the murky water."

As you shift from "it is luck" to "there is some luck/unpredictability involved"....

Please consider what I and others are saying - while there surely is some randomness and significant uncertainty, your opinion #1 "its luck" is surely incorrect. And of course your opinion #2 "there is some luck/unpredictability" is an extremely different proposition and undeniable - in any interesting game there is unpredictability.

The key thing that novices should learn is that there is a lot that can be anlyzed and understood about dropdowns etc - if you think it is luck then you also think that the fielder who happens to adjust to right where the batter hits the ball is just lucky rather than considering the hypothesis that through through knowledge and analysis one can enhance the odds a lot.

But if your opinion is now opinion #2 it is fer sure correct, there is some luck and unpredictability in drop downs.

Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/15/2010
reminding you colonel that before opinion #1 quoted above you said

"I'm more for a level playing field than waiting for the luck of the draw or the "FALL" if you will."

You cant criticize the existing format as "luck of the draw" and "its luck" and when corrected fall back to "there is some luck in it" and now punt saying they mean the same thing After I said there was luck, you said there wasn't luck, thus I simplified and broke down my statement so you could understand how there's luck involved in the process...I didn't change at all what I was saying, if I did, I would have admitted it. You were almost trying to pass off opinion (we know how the guys will fall) as fact and I almost took exception to it.

You began by saying dropdowns/pulldowns are corrosive because they are luck. When explained it is primarily not luck, you withdraw to the correct statement that there is some luck in it. I re-worded my statement because you said it wasn't/isn't luck.

If we agree, great - but if we agree that dropdowns are subject to analysis and skill and only some luck, then the case for eliminating them becomes a lot weaker.

I tend to like features of the game that allow folks who analyze the game and its elements to get better at it - but I fully understand that some folks may prefer a simpler game. I appreciate closing remarks like this. I understand that I have many "minority" opinions and that things I like personally will probably never be done in a game of this nature and I accept that...as a business/businessman, you've always got to play to the masses. With that said, just because it won't change, that doesn't make my opinion any less valid or worthwhile. If people think twice about something because I've brought it up, then I've succeeded. The blessing and curse of me is that I can find something wrong with everything, but with that said, I'm more than willing to play HD within the confines in which it currently rests/resides.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/15/2010
Anything colonels can't understand is 'luck' and since he understands very little about HD, to him it is all 'luck'.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/15/2010I said there's some luck in who falls down and who doesn't, not in who signs who and who doesn't...try to keep up