Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/02/2010The advice I offered answered his question.   You think it's stupid.  I think it's stupid to soil your panties over a point in control and a P3.   I guess we're at a stalemate.I also think it's stupid to deal your BL players for prospects when you're 18-38.   Or just dump them on the market for nothing.

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/02/2010I've already told you my reason, Arlen.   You don't like risking a demotion penalty.  I don't mind.  If I'm paying a guy, I'd rather utilize his suddenly useless *** than send him into HBD purgatory when he's going to end up where I wanted him in the first place.

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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/02/2010

The advice I offered answered his question. You think it's stupid. I think it's stupid to soil your panties over a point in control and a P3. I guess we're at a stalemate.

I also think it's stupid to deal your BL players for prospects when you're 18-38. Or just dump them on the market for nothing.

If he's in "full rebuild mode", a long-term contract will hinder his ability to build. He should consider trading the guy away for an old rosin bag and some eyeblack and pay his salary for the year, just to get him off the books for future years.

"Full rebuild mode" is code for "I need to tank". If the guy is making 20m, you can rebuild just fine with him on your roster. You don't have to purge your team of any BL talent to go into "full rebuild mode". You really, really don't.

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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/02/2010
The advice I offered answered his question. You think it's stupid. I think it's stupid to soil your panties over a point in control and a P3. I guess we're at a stalemate.

I also think it's stupid to deal your BL players for prospects when you're 18-38. Or just dump them on the market for nothing.

so basically, you gave a stupid answer because the question is stupid?

and have you not seen a demotion penalty where players lose multiple points across the board


No, I gave an answer I see as fine, Arlen2.

Yes, I've seen those penalties. And I've seen guys get demoted with no penalties. I've seen guys get one point penalties. I don't worry about them. I don't think a guy goes from BL player to minor league fodder over a few rating points.

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Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/02/2010 I've already told you my reason, Arlen. You don't like risking a demotion penalty. I don't mind. If I'm paying a guy, I'd rather utilize his suddenly useless *** than send him into HBD purgatory when he's going to end up where I wanted him in the first place.

So now we're back to your "good reason" being the one AAA start. Got it.

Still just as stupid as it was the first time you suggested it.

Noobs listen to you Mike, largely because you post so much it's hard not to think you know what you're talking about. Don't give them stupid advice or you're one of the things contributing to 'tard owners and 'tard Worlds


Again, Arlen, I don't see the "risk" of a demotion penalty as the death of HBD. Or a career-ender for any player. The next time you run across a couple of players with identical ratings and identical results, get back to me.

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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/02/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By toddcommish on 3/02/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/02/2010

The advice I offered answered his question. You think it's stupid. I think it's stupid to soil your panties over a point in control and a P3. I guess we're at a stalemate.

I also think it's stupid to deal your BL players for prospects when you're 18-38. Or just dump them on the market for nothing.

If he's in "full rebuild mode", a long-term contract will hinder his ability to build. He should consider trading the guy away for an old rosin bag and some eyeblack and pay his salary for the year, just to get him off the books for future years.

"Full rebuild mode" is code for "I need to tank". If the guy is making 20m, you can rebuild just fine with him on your roster. You don't have to purge your team of any BL talent to go into "full rebuild mode". You really, really don't.

No, there's a difference between "tanking" and "re-building". Re-building involves clearing cap space now and for future years, developing talent, stockpiling prospects. Tanking involves intentionally losing to improve draft position and waiver priority.

Not the same thing.



If you're 18-38 and trying to give away BL players for free, you're tanking.

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 3/02/2010For f*ck's sake.  The guy said he tried to trade him but there were no takers.   It doesn't matter what he does now because the player apparently doesn't have value to anyone else in the world. From a business standpoint, let's explore it like this: I've got a thousand "I love HBD" t-shirts.   Three nerds purchased one each two years ago.  So I've had 997 sitting on the shelf since then.   I've ran all sorts of marketing campaigns, advertised the hell out of them and marked them down to .25 each.   No one wants them.   Now I could waste some more time, and shelf space, or I could accept that I didn't understand the market for them.  I can store them away now, or I can put them on another shelf for two more days.  Why waste two more days?   No one wants them.