i think that's the stupidest thing that they can do is get rid of the effectiveness of height..If your 70 Sb 6'2" guard is defending my 90 LP 7'0 center..i am going to set my distro to 25 and destroy him. the other 5 guys that will play will be at 15 distro which leaves the center taking way less than 50% of the team's shots

Height never had an extra effect outside of its starting effect on ratings.

Quote: Originally posted by sully712 on 5/03/2010Personally, I think the certain positions should have some sort of minimum.  If the player is listed as a PG, they should not have a 20 BH with low potential.  Guards should have a minimum of X at BH and P, PF and C have X at LP and Reb.  Or at least have the chance to get there with potential.  Why even have positions listed then?  Why not just have a bunch of players and the coach chooses the position they play. I'm all for having big men with good PER, etc... but there needs to be some definition of position and penalties for playing out of position.

Remember though ... based on the DevChat, the guy is not really "Playing Out of Position". If the DevChat is to be believed, If you play a guy who is a very good SG at PF, he is not going to be playing the post up basketball you would expect from a PF ... he is going to be playing more outside and shooting from outside.

So, again, if this is true, you are changing your team from the standard 2-2-1 cookie cutter team to a 4 guard, 1 PF type team if you play 1 PG, 3 SG, 1PF lineup.

I have no idea if the engine with do this correctly, but if it comes close that will be very fun indeed.

Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/04/2010the current game doesnt take height and weight into account, its all about the player ratings

Not TRUE at all ...

The height and weight are taken into account when the numbers are generated.

If you have a 7'1", 280lb Center, his height and weight were taken into account when they generated his attributes. His rebounding will be higher because of those. On the other hand, a guy who is 6'8" might have high rebounding because he knows how to block out.

Some 6'8" guys have very long arms and have a much better vertical leaping abilities. They will be much quicker, and maybe can out jump the 7'1" guy.

These are just examples ... and they are talking about some very huge mismatch logic for a 5'8" guy trying to guard a 7'4" guy, etc.

Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 5/09/2010

Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/04/2010 the current game doesnt take height and weight into account, its all about the player ratings

Not TRUE at all ...

The height and weight are taken into account when the numbers are generated.

If you have a 7'1", 280lb Center, his height and weight were taken into account when they generated his attributes. His rebounding will be higher because of those. On the other hand, a guy who is 6'8" might have high rebounding because he knows how to block out.

Some 6'8" guys have very long arms and have a much better vertical leaping abilities. They will be much quicker, and maybe can out jump the 7'1" guy.

These are just examples ... and they are talking about some very huge mismatch logic for a 5'8" guy trying to guard a 7'4" guy, etc.

Thats all bullsit. You pulled that out of your ***.

Height and Weight is COSMETIC.

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Will a 7'0" C with 70 LP have an easier time scoring than a 6'4" C with a 70 LP? "With all other ratings being equal" I was told before that height didn't have an effect it was just the ratings. (utvol4life - Rookie - 2:37 PM)

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I think the only adjustment that could be made is to account for extreme differences in height. In general, the rating accounts for their height. So you can look at your example like this: the 7'0" player may only be a 50 LP if he were 6'6" instead.

For indiansrck27 or anyone else without the ability to comprehend the English language ....

A person's height and weight is NOT just cosmetic, the attributes are generated with that in mind (at least according to seble).

Height and weight have 0 to do with the game. A 7ft vs a 6ft 6 guy withthe same ratings is just 2 guys with the same ratings battling. The 7ft guy has no advantage.

Quote: Originally posted by indiansrck27 on 5/09/2010Height and weight have 0 to do with the game. A 7ft vs a 6ft 6 guy withthe same ratings is just 2 guys with the same ratings battling. The 7ft guy has no advantage. 

Sure ... but how they got the RATINGS takes into account their height and weight.

It therefore had an impact on them OBTAINING their ratings.

If they have exactly the SAME ratings that means they are equally good at doing that job for DIFFERENT reasons.

So, I agree that height and weight do not need to be looked at when you pick your player, but that is because they were taken into account when determining the rating. (I did not say you needed to look at height, I said it was already taken into account).

This is a computer simulation. The end result will be determined by a calculation that compares a series of numbers. Height and Weight have a place in that process. If you are a certain size, it had a certain impact on specific attributes.

a 7ft guy and a 6'6" guy with the same ratings are the same player.

xactly

thats the same things Hughes is saying. The point he's trying to make is there is a higher probability a 7' player will have 90 rebounding than a 6'6" player because their height was taken into account when they were given the rebounding rating.

Yes, once the rating is given, they are the same player, though.

This also means all this talk of PGs with 90 rebounding and 70 SB will be extremely, extremely rare since the probability of a 5'11" player having these ratings will be very very low. (In theory)

I support the...at recruit stage list players as Guards or Forwards, then after we sign them we assign them a position. IE, this would allow a position penalty to take affect.

I see it working in a few ways...we can place the following positions on a player, outside of those slots it would be a penalty:

Pure Guard - PG
Combo Guard - PG/SG
Wing Utility- SG/SF
Forward - SF/PF
Center - C

If you list a player at Combo he has 100% efficiency at PG and SG but penalties elsewhere. Also, this would make unique adjustments to depth chart settings, i'd like to see the ability to prevent some players from playing out of position except in emergency situations, ie I don't want my designated PG to ever play Combo Guard unless emergency.

just an idea

Quote: Originally posted by ekswimmer on 5/09/2010thats the same things Hughes is saying. The point he's trying to make is there is a higher probability a 7' player will have 90 rebounding than a 6'6" player because their height was taken into account when they were given the rebounding rating.Yes, once the rating is given, they are the same player, though.This also means all this talk of PGs with 90 rebounding and 70 SB will be extremely, extremely rare since the probability of a 5'11" player having these ratings will be very very low. (In theory)

Not only that .. but if a 7 ft guy got higher ratings because of it, and if you now also make other adjustments, now the effect is being doubled up.

People seem to think that height is every thing, so let me put this in perspective another way.

Yao Ming is 7-6, 310 while Amar'e Stoudemire is 6-10, 249. Who is the better big man? There is an 8" height difference, but I think Stoudemire dominates this matchup. I think that Dwight Howard, at 6-11. 265 would also dominate Yao Ming.

Now if we say 7-8 inches is not that big a deal in those matchups, then 6-5 (that is 7 inches shorter than 7 foot for those with bad math :D) should also not be a huge deal either against a 6-11 or 7-0 guy.

Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 5/09/2010

Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/04/2010 the current game doesnt take height and weight into account, its all about the player ratings

Not TRUE at all ...

The height and weight are taken into account when the numbers are generated.

If you have a 7'1", 280lb Center, his height and weight were taken into account when they generated his attributes. His rebounding will be higher because of those. On the other hand, a guy who is 6'8" might have high rebounding because he knows how to block out.

Some 6'8" guys have very long arms and have a much better vertical leaping abilities. They will be much quicker, and maybe can out jump the 7'1" guy.

These are just examples ... and they are talking about some very huge mismatch logic for a 5'8" guy trying to guard a 7'4" guy, etc.

guys who are taller may have better ratings that tall people might have such as rebounding better? so as i said, its about ratings and ratings alone.