Free FSS? Topic

coach_billyg
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i personally am totally against free FSS. recruiting before potential had you searching the entire country's recruiting pool, and i don't think i could endure that again. that was just horribly tedious. in d1, i don't think it makes much difference - most people stay within 360 miles for most recruits, and fss is negligible in cost in that radius in most cases.

but in d2/d3, it would make a huge change to the recruiting dynamic. not having everybody know player X in OK is a diamond in the rough is quite nice for the guys in the area, and it keeps low d1 schools who are scrounging the bottom of the bucket from scrounging the best d2 players from the whole country, etc... i really would hate for everybody to see every single player, like we used to. but before, we had a buffer - a lot of players on a gradual continuum from maxed out to almost maxed out to not quite maxed out but close enough to make any d1 school happy. now, the d1 schools already rape and pillage the top d2 prospects; this would only increase. same with d2ers raping and pillaging the d3 prospects.

as rails and others have stated, there is no strategy in fss. really? as a d2 school, i face the question almost every season... accept the players ive found, or keep looking. the cost of FSS is very real. its not binary, there are many states and many ways to go about it. if you decide to scout 20 states to find that gem big man who has eluded you, you might not have the money to win him any more. how is there not strategy in that? with the most successful d2 program of the potential era, i struggle almost every season with how to use FSS at that school. clearly, there are decisions there, and thus, strategy.
8/24/2010 3:25 PM
namshub
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if this is a poll, i'm 100% against free FSS.
8/24/2010 4:59 PM
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against free FSS here too

i do think (not sure how hard it would be to program) we should be able to select what results we get back from the scouting trips.  i didn't read all five pages so somebody may have already suggested this.
i'd like to be able to send the scout and be able to pick the categories instead finding out my center prospect has "not much room for improvement" from the perimeter over and over
8/24/2010 9:20 PM
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bad idea. maybe cheaper, but certainly not free.
8/24/2010 9:30 PM
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Please dont change it
8/24/2010 10:11 PM
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Or at least make the results either more random, or more likely to concentrate on 'areas of interest'(ie; lows and highs)
8/24/2010 10:28 PM
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Am against free FSS as well, that said... make it free....please please just put me out of my misery, am starting to sound like Colonels :(
8/25/2010 3:43 PM
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I think the solution here is to change the costs of FSS at D3.  Maybe D3 teams should get 20-30% off of current prices.  Its too steep at D3 right now if you are in TX,PA or NY or CA and have 2 openings, scouting your home state is 1/2 of the budget.

I am against FSS being free though and think it should remain same cost at D1.

Or let D3 teams not scout D1 players (or at least the ranked top 200 at their position players.  THat is 1000 players they don't need to know about.
8/25/2010 4:01 PM
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the cost for fss should be proportional to the money one gets for scholies - logically this would make the cost of FSS identical for everyone relatively speaking.  If d1 is the baseline,

I can't even recall what we get per scholy. but if d1 is 15k, d2 is 6k, and d3 is 3k, then fss for d2 would only cost 40% of the d2 cost, and d3 would cost 20% the d1 cost.

Of course, I would be happy if d2 & d3 were free too.

the way it is right now, the hardest division relative to FSS is d3, d1 is the easiest, that isn't right, as many, many new players are in d3, and the vets lurking around there don't need any more advantage than they now have?
8/25/2010 4:20 PM
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Posted by oldresorter on 8/25/2010 4:20:00 PM (view original):
the cost for fss should be proportional to the money one gets for scholies - logically this would make the cost of FSS identical for everyone relatively speaking.  If d1 is the baseline,

I can't even recall what we get per scholy. but if d1 is 15k, d2 is 6k, and d3 is 3k, then fss for d2 would only cost 40% of the d2 cost, and d3 would cost 20% the d1 cost.

Of course, I would be happy if d2 & d3 were free too.

the way it is right now, the hardest division relative to FSS is d3, d1 is the easiest, that isn't right, as many, many new players are in d3, and the vets lurking around there don't need any more advantage than they now have?
perhaps if FSS were stripped down and made free, d3 prospect scouting reports could be more in-depth than d1 prospect scouting reports.
8/25/2010 4:45 PM
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Free FSS for D-3. It is designed to be a learning ground.
8/25/2010 4:50 PM
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I like FSS being a paid service, even at DIII.  But I wouldn't mind seeing a 20% reduction in prices for DIII teams.  Maybe a 10% reduction for DII teams, just to complete the pattern.


But I like the strategy introduced by FSS costs.
8/25/2010 5:04 PM
cornfused
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Posted by coach_billyg on 8/24/2010 3:25:00 PM (view original):
i personally am totally against free FSS. recruiting before potential had you searching the entire country's recruiting pool, and i don't think i could endure that again. that was just horribly tedious. in d1, i don't think it makes much difference - most people stay within 360 miles for most recruits, and fss is negligible in cost in that radius in most cases.

but in d2/d3, it would make a huge change to the recruiting dynamic. not having everybody know player X in OK is a diamond in the rough is quite nice for the guys in the area, and it keeps low d1 schools who are scrounging the bottom of the bucket from scrounging the best d2 players from the whole country, etc... i really would hate for everybody to see every single player, like we used to. but before, we had a buffer - a lot of players on a gradual continuum from maxed out to almost maxed out to not quite maxed out but close enough to make any d1 school happy. now, the d1 schools already rape and pillage the top d2 prospects; this would only increase. same with d2ers raping and pillaging the d3 prospects.

as rails and others have stated, there is no strategy in fss. really? as a d2 school, i face the question almost every season... accept the players ive found, or keep looking. the cost of FSS is very real. its not binary, there are many states and many ways to go about it. if you decide to scout 20 states to find that gem big man who has eluded you, you might not have the money to win him any more. how is there not strategy in that? with the most successful d2 program of the potential era, i struggle almost every season with how to use FSS at that school. clearly, there are decisions there, and thus, strategy.
Most successful d2 program of the potential era?  Gotta be "of all time."
  • 9 NCs in 21 seasons
  • 6 NCs in 9 seasons
  • 5 NCs in 7 seasons, with a Final Four in all 7 of those seasons
  • 4 NCs in 5 seasons
  • Elite Eight or better 14 seasons in a row
I mean, bowen_brian's 150-something-game win streak in conference play in the Allen GLV is pretty cool.  But I don't think anyone's gonna beat that resume.
8/25/2010 5:09 PM
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If making FSS free takes pressure off of seble and allows him to tweak/improve more pressing HD issues while leveling the playing field for EVERYONE in HD...why not do it?  I mean really, the things you guys hold so steadfastly to...

8/25/2010 5:12 PM
wronoj
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that argument makes no sense at all, colonels-- seble is currently putting 0% of his time and effort into changing FSS. unless he's reading this thread, in which case it's 1%.

and how is leveling the playing field a good thing? don't we want coaches who use tools and strategies more effectively to be more successful than coaches who use them less effectively? 
8/25/2010 5:23 PM
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