This guy seems to have had an ok career given the fact that he has no power.  Better than a large portion of real life ML players that got 5000+ ABs.

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1830563

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 1:56:00 PM (view original):
So, tec, you're saying that your math isn't faulty despite the fact that you didn't factor in that undrafted/unsigned players are created every season while many currently active players have a minimum of 3 seasons(and I suspect more like 8-10 for most)?

No.  I'm disregarding those undrafted/unsigned players because they're really irrelevent to the conversation.  If you want to call that "faulty math", go ahead.  I'm not sure why you're trying to divert the conversation into a math test.

The bottom line is that, going under the working assumption that 0 power guys will never hit home runs, there are far too many of many of them appearing in our worlds.

The "fix" would be either (a) allow 0 power guys to hit ITPHR's at a higher frequency than 1 in 1,000,000,000 (as ADMIN says), or greatly reduce the number of 0 power guys by making them 1 power guys.

As do I. But if everyone was as smart as us, we'd get em because they have to end up somewhere.

The argument is for/against the existence of them, not an analysis of who picks them up.

Did a3moron get your sign in password?

Posted by bigal888 on 9/28/2010 2:17:00 PM (view original):
This guy seems to have had an ok career given the fact that he has no power.  Better than a large portion of real life ML players that got 5000+ ABs.

http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1830563

in fact, compare him to this real life guy - who even hit a few HR.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/seymocy01.shtml

Posted by tecwrg on 9/28/2010 2:18:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 1:56:00 PM (view original):
So, tec, you're saying that your math isn't faulty despite the fact that you didn't factor in that undrafted/unsigned players are created every season while many currently active players have a minimum of 3 seasons(and I suspect more like 8-10 for most)?

No.  I'm disregarding those undrafted/unsigned players because they're really irrelevent to the conversation.  If you want to call that "faulty math", go ahead.  I'm not sure why you're trying to divert the conversation into a math test.

The bottom line is that, going under the working assumption that 0 power guys will never hit home runs, there are far too many of many of them appearing in our worlds.

The "fix" would be either (a) allow 0 power guys to hit ITPHR's at a higher frequency than 1 in 1,000,000,000 (as ADMIN says), or greatly reduce the number of 0 power guys by making them 1 power guys.

I turned it into a math quiz when you started using "bell curve" and "3%".   It's faulty math.  No need for quotes.   We have no idea how many 0 power players are created.   You know how many are currently on a team but that's pretty irrelevant when discussing bell curves and percentages.   Because we know a lot of HBD owners are dumbasses.  Who they draft/sign/keep isn't likely to make a lot of sense.

I'd argue this guy got too many ABs in real life:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/miksied01.shtml


The point being, the number of ABs a guy got in real life doesn't necessarily mean he deserved them.

And the number of AB a player gets in HBD doesn't mean he deserves him.   

which means we are being realistic!

This goes back to "I hate pitchers with single digit stamina!!!" 

Don't draft them, don't sign them, don't keep them.

Again, we all seem to agree that 0 power players cannot reach the OF wall with his opponents doing their best to stop it from happening.  We all agree that the only way to get an ITPHR is to hit the wall on the fly, bounce or roll.   Therefore, I'd think we'd all agree that 0 power players cannot hit a homer.  So all that's left to do is to figure out what to do with them.  

I once saw Luis Sojo hit an inside-the-park HR and the ball never left the infield....of course, there were probably 4 errors on the play, but my revisionist history remembers otherwise.

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 2:30:00 PM (view original):
This goes back to "I hate pitchers with single digit stamina!!!" 

Don't draft them, don't sign them, don't keep them.

Again, we all seem to agree that 0 power players cannot reach the OF wall with his opponents doing their best to stop it from happening.  We all agree that the only way to get an ITPHR is to hit the wall on the fly, bounce or roll.   Therefore, I'd think we'd all agree that 0 power players cannot hit a homer.  So all that's left to do is to figure out what to do with them.  

There has never been a ML player that couldn't get a ball to hit the outfield wall (when given enough chances) and therefore there shouldn't be any in HBD.

Proof?

And this also reverts back to HBD owners.   If you don't want that guy, don't draft him, don't sign him, don't keep him.   If everyone took that approach, there wouldn't be any 0 power players in HBD.

I think Mike's "math" is plenty faulty, but his point is correct

there are currently 3 zero power hitters in MG MLB rosters.  assuming 12 hitters per roster, that is less than 1% of MLB hitters with zero power

You can't look at minor league rosters for population data simply because too many owners don't care about the minors. The engine may indeed generate "too many" zero power hitters, but in a perfect world they would get weeded out of minor league system when they sucked.  But if you just need warm bodies, you don't care if they suck.  And if you need a minor leaguer that owns a glove, you really don't care if he has zero power.

I didn't do any math, 'motown.  I simply pointed out how bad tecwrg's math sucked. 

Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 2:30:00 PM (view original):
This goes back to "I hate pitchers with single digit stamina!!!" 

Don't draft them, don't sign them, don't keep them.

Again, we all seem to agree that 0 power players cannot reach the OF wall with his opponents doing their best to stop it from happening.  We all agree that the only way to get an ITPHR is to hit the wall on the fly, bounce or roll.   Therefore, I'd think we'd all agree that 0 power players cannot hit a homer.  So all that's left to do is to figure out what to do with them.  

(Sigh)

This isn't about acquiring them or not.  It's about the frequency of their existance.  I don't think anybody's making a conscious decision to draft the 0 power players in the 23rd round.  It just happens.  And because the draft rankings, by default, are pretty much in OVR order, the reason why 0 power guys are getting ranked by default ahead of non-0 power guys is because they have other attributes which roll up into a higher OVR rating.

Plus, just because a guy has 0 power doesn't make him a useless player.  Saying "don't draft them, don't sign them, don't keep them." is a pretty foolish response.  You know better than that.