NCIH52 rosters and commentary Topic

captainzen - Jason Kidd, Bill Walton, Elton Brand, Cedric Maxwell, Danny Granger, Blake Griffin, Kenny Smith

I think Kidd went too high here. You had some big time paint scorers(DRob, Mailman) available. I also think Walton went too high. Of course if you knew you'd be taking Blake later then they are great players to put around him. I'm guessing you will be playing all your SF mins with Brand or Maxwell there. That's going to make this team a beast on the glass since you also have awesome rebounding in the back court with Kidd and Granger.  Kidd/Granger/Smith shoot a ton of 3s, so you're good there. Lots of dimes to go around. The more I think about it the more I like this team actually. Maybe too many mouths to feed but Kidd does have a large spoon. Blake could definitely make his name in draft league this season. He doesn't and you'll probably be saying to yourself, "why didn't I take Robinson?"

tricky24 - Kevin Durant, Mel Daniels, Brent Barry, Bobby Jones, Charles Oakley, Tim Hardaway, Kevin Willis

This may be the only time I ever say this but....I didn't like the Barry pick. You had your SG already and passed some real good players to pair with Durant/Daniels. I would have loved Nash here for this squad. Jones and Oakley fit nicely, though they will hack a lot. Can you guess what I think of the Willis pick? Yup...I'm a hater. Hated the Hardaway pick too. Takes too many shots away from Durant and you'll be getting less of that great efg% from Barry and Jones. You're gonna be good overall on the glass, especially the offensive ones. There's a lot to like about this team but I'm just not a fan of how it all fits together. Not sure if it's a playoff team or not but I highly doubt it would win it all.

ashamael - Shaquille O'Neal, Marcus Camby, Mookie Blaylock, Joakim Noah, Chris Mullin, Dan Gadzuric, J Richardson

Once again Camby gets wisely paired with a great paint scorer in the 2nd round. Just a perfect fit with the low usage, great boards, d, dimes, and low fouls. Ash never misses on surrounding a dominant big man with the right front court partners - low usage, high efg%, boardlords with as much d as possible and as few fouls as possible. No need for more scoring down low...Shaq has that covered. Noah(SF now too as ash pointed out) and Gadzuric are perfect examples. How good this team does though really comes down to the Blaylock/Mullin back court. 89-90 Mullin? I like that one. I think you def need the usage. Great FTAs too. Blaylock might shoot too much on this team but at least most of them will be 3s. I'm sure this will be a playoff team but can Mookie/Mullin make them a contender? Either way, one things for sure, Shaq is gonna dominate. I hope you go all out and use the 99-00 season. Pretty sure you like 93-94 though right? 

6/12/2012 6:00 PM
ncih (2) - Charles Barkley, Tom Boerwinkle, Dirk Nowitzki, Derek Harper, Nick Anderson, Yao Ming, Earl Watson

Right after I paired Moses/Dirk together in the ODL I was thinking about other great Dirk pairings and Barkley obviously came to mind first. Not sure if it's been done before but I'm excited to see how it does. And you somehow got him in the 3rd...which is crazy. Dirk is one of the best scorers in the sim. He always seems to out-perform his stats and gets pretty much all of his FTAs. Please use his 06-07 season, he's so much better with the extra usage. I wouldn't hold back on Barkley either, go for the 87-88 monster. Those two may be the best 1-2 scoring punch in this draft. Boerwinkle fits perfectly at C. I loooooove the back court too. Harper isn't an assist heavy PG, but with the ast% in the front court you didn't need one. Anderson is the 3pt shooting SG the team needed. Watson gives you even more 3s. I think you made a mistake with Yao pick. Boerwinkle needed a low usage rebounder for a backup, not someone who is gonna take shots from Barkley and Dirk. Defense is also going to be a problem as well. Can't wait to see how this team does. Should be a playoff team.

sappy - Dwight Howard, Paul Pierce, Buck Williams, Ryan Anderson, Jose Calderon, Brent Price, Lamar Odom

This could be the team sappy. No more fringe playoff teams. This could be a division winner. Pierce fell right into your lap to give you a great 1-2 punch and I thought you did a real nice job filling the pieces in. Rebounding and paint scoring support for Dwight? - Check(Buck). 3pt shooting ast% monster to get everyone the ball? - Check(Calderon). Hell, you didn't even have to decide between boards or 3s at SF since you got Ryan Anderson. I like the Odom pick too since he some nice lower minute seasons to use here. Fouls could be an issue I guess and the defense is weak outside of the top 3 picks. Other than that, everything looks good, really like the paint-perimeter balance. I'd be shocked if you miss the playoffs.

xxevilivexx (1) - Moses, Tyson Chandler, Donyell Marshall, Kris Humphries, Tracy McGrady, Nick Van Exel, John Starks

I guess I can understand why McGrady fell so far once he got out of the second round. When you take him, you're basically all in on him. 35% usage means he's your guy. Most teams have that guy already after the first two rounds. He fits like a glove with this team though. Outside of Wilt I think Moses if the best guy you can  pair with McGrady. That worked out almost too well for you evil. Marshall is the perfect SF in the sim and Chandler/Hump is an awesome PF combo. However your front court gives you no ast% at all so it was important to get a PG who dishes it like crazy. Was gonna say Van Exel isn't that guy but I just checked and he actually dishes it more than I thought. I still don't care for that pick(or the Starks pick) but I love the rest of the team too much not too predict playoffs for you.

98average (1) - Rodman, Amare Stoudemire, Gary Payton, Patrick Ewing, Doug Christie, Kenneth Faried, Devin Harris

Ughh why Ewing? He take a big sh!t all over the great Rodman/Amare combo. I dunno, it could work out I guess but it feels unneeded to me. I guess you panicked that you actually had a starter that wasn't good at D and had to overcompensate by taking Ewing and his good D haha. I like Payton, great value in the 3rd. Good support pieces in Christie and Faried. Not sure what Harris brings to the table though. Curious to see if your gonna use 89-90 Ewing or not. Great scoring season but comes with a lot of fouls. Not feeling this one 98 but will definitely be checking to see how that front court does. I do know that Rodman should be a lock to win the rebounding title, he's going to have to carry you on the glass.

jethroeg - Wade, Nate Thurmond, Mark Jackson, Weatherspoon, Dave Cowens, Andre Iguodala, George T Johnson

I don't like one single pick you made. Not one. Draw your own conclusions.

ncih (1) - Kareem, Swen Nater, James Harden, Anthony Mason, Kevin Johnson, Jordan Farmar, Kurt Rambis

Probably too early for Harden, but that's definitely up for debate. Nater as well. Can't knock you for either pick really, just think you could have had a better combo in rounds 2/3. Allen/Marshall comes to mind. But rounds 4/5 quickly change my mind about the team. Both were absolute home runs. Don't pu$sy out on Mason either. Use the big boy season and don't be afraid of him being less than 100% at SF. KJ always goes late in this league so I can't really call him a steal but I'm sure you were thrilled he was still there. You should be too because he and Harden are great sidekicks to Kareem when it comes to scoring the ball. Mason is the glue though. Really love how he fits here(if you dont pus$y out). Nice job, should be a playoff team.

malone9975 - Michael Jordan, Andrew Bynum, Ray Allen, Peja Stojakovic, Sam Lacey, DeJuan Blair, David Wesley

Wow malone...no can accuse you of not taking risks. 3 SGs? Crazy. 88-89 Jordan it is I guess. I think he could get close to a trip-dub with this squad. I think you'll be ok with 3s haha. Bynum should make teams pay for trying to stop the sims best 3pt combo. I like Lacey(the ast% is def helpful) but I think you needed more oreb% from that spot. I have no clue what to expect here. You should be weak on the boards of course, but by playing small you have hardly any fouls. Bynum is wilt-like with the fouls as well and I'm pretty sure Lacey is solid for a big man with fouls. Allen/Peja always get to the line more than their RL numbers and you know Jordan will get his FTAs. So I think you'll have a nice advantage there. I commend your ballsiness with this team malone and can't wait to see how it works out.

chris_snid - Wilt, Wes Unseld, Manu Ginobili, Charlie Edge, Terrell Brandon, Mitch Richmond, Kawhi Leonard

Someone already said it....no fouls here. But what I really love is the 3 headed backcourt you got. Plenty of 3s, FTAs, dimes, solid D, ok boards, and enough usage. Unseld and Edge/Leonard fit perfectly at the forward spots. With Wilt you were pretty much already guaranteed a playoff spot, but I think you did more than enough to have them contend for the title here. Brandon needs to start going earlier in this league too. Great 52mil PG.

banditone - LeBron, Spencer Haywood, Michael Redd, Brandon Roy, Toni Kukoc, Caldwell Jones, Frank Brickowski

I'll never understand your draft strategy. We don't need to hear me explain why I don't think it'll work, we need you to explain to us why it will. So please..the floors all yours...

6/12/2012 7:18 PM
 Chris Paul, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, Carlos Boozer, Emeka Okafor, Ervin Johnson, Ersan Ilyasova

i'm a huge fan of boozer's (assuming you are using that partial season of his... 28% dreb, but then again, what season isn't a partial season) and pairing him with okafor, sings symmetry. nice. getting okafor in the 5th is about right, but boozer in the 4th? good god! that was a steal. i would take boozer over amare, and amare went in the 2nd. perhaps owners don't pull the trigger on boozer earlier because of his def, but when you look at his numbers on your team, he brings a smile. paul and pippen will be moving to the main scoring options when boozer is off the floor, so, there's balance on this squad and continual lighting up of the scoreboard. the elmer's glue to it all is horace. i always want to draft this guy, but someone beats me to the punch. he's a definate 3rd rounder, but should always be an early 3rd rounder, so, you got him at a slight discounted rate. horace plays 78 def, blocks, scores at a mchale efficiency, has jayson williams oreb prowess, and doesn't foul or turn the ball over. yeah, he's a peach in the 3rd round. ervin johnson brings nice board numbers and efg%, but he is such a low usage guy, i don't really seeing him backing up boozer too well, but he's perfect for okafor. so, maybe your boozer backup will come from an undrafted player. and the cherry on the top of the sundae is ersan. i am learning more and more about this guy, and should not be going in the 6th round anymore. this is boozer's backup! this ersan is almost a carbon copy of boozer. high usage, great reb %'s, shoots some 3's, plays little def like boozer (haha) but is so efficient and board friendly i can see him easily going in the 5th, perhaps the 4th in the odl.

with the two maestros at the guard spots, boozer and okafor in the paint, horace being ready and steady at the 3, and solid backups, i'm afraid dh makes it to the dance and pushes toward the finals, and we could be waiting for evals again next season. u have an excellent eye for talent, grasshopper. nice engineering.



6/12/2012 10:09 PM
ashamael - Shaquille O'Neal, Marcus Camby, Mookie Blaylock, Joakim Noah, Chris Mullin, Dan Gadzuric, J Richardson

Once again Camby gets wisely paired with a great paint scorer in the 2nd round. Just a perfect fit with the low usage, great boards, d, dimes, and low fouls. Ash never misses on surrounding a dominant big man with the right front court partners - low usage, high efg%, boardlords with as much d as possible and as few fouls as possible. No need for more scoring down low...Shaq has that covered. Noah(SF now too as ash pointed out) and Gadzuric are perfect examples. How good this team does though really comes down to the Blaylock/Mullin back court. 89-90 Mullin? I like that one. I think you def need the usage. Great FTAs too. Blaylock might shoot too much on this team but at least most of them will be 3s. I'm sure this will be a playoff team but can Mookie/Mullin make them a contender? Either way, one things for sure, Shaq is gonna dominate. I hope you go all out and use the 99-00 season. Pretty sure you like 93-94 though right? 

Yes, I'm using 89-90 Mullin.  I'm using the 52.something efg% mookie that made some 220 threes.  And yeah, for $52M I'll be using 99-00 shaq, though I like the 93-94 better overall.  I'll take the defense, dreb%, fp48 & usg upgrades.  I was tickled shitless to see 11-12 noah 99% at SF.  Totally blew my mind.

6/13/2012 12:22 AM

 These are the teams I really like (mine excluded). I could see each one making a playoff run. Without seeing each teams actual roster I'm seeing Ash,scud, and evil as favorites. And I like the feel of mikes and sappy's teams.
 
 
 
 
 
sappy - Dwight Howard, Paul Pierce, Buck Williams, Ryan Anderson, Jose Calderon, Brent Price, Lamar Odom

ncih (2) - Charles Barkley, Tom Boerwinkle, Dirk Nowitzki, Derek Harper, Nick Anderson, Yao Ming, Earl Watson

ashamael - Shaquille O'Neal, Marcus Camby, Mookie Blaylock, Joakim Noah, Chris Mullin, Dan Gadzuric, J Richards

xxevilivexx (2) - D Robinson, D Mutombo, Marques Johnson, A Hardaway, Paul George, Howard Eisley, Mark Landsberger

scudmissle - Artis Gilmore, Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Walt Frazier, Andrei Kirilenko, Vlade Divac, Steve Novak

98average (2) - Ben Wallace, Kevin McHale, Terry Porter, Walt Bellamy, Bobby Phills, Jameer Nelson, Art Williams

bluenote75 - Karl Malone, Chauncey Billups, Robert Parish, Serge Ibaka, Raja Bell, Mark Price, Paul Millsap

tarheel1991 - Larry Bird, Shawn Kemp, Wesley Person, Sammy Dalembert, Rajon Rondo, Chris Webber, Jon Barry

katernberg - Hakeem Olajuwon, Deron Williams, Gerald Wallace, Willis Reed, Josh Smith, Charlie Ward, Oliver Miller

dh555 - Chris Paul, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, Carlos Boozer, Emeka Okafor, Ervin Johnson, Ersan Ilyasova

mikee1 - Magic Johnson, Shawn Marion, Bob McAdoo, Clyde Drexer, Dale Davis, Stephen Curry, Andris Biedrins


6/13/2012 12:30 AM
Posted by xxevilivexx on 6/3/2012 1:02:00 AM (view original):
It will be interesting to see who you take as backups given that Manu, Terrell and Charlie play less than 37 a game.
Well evil what do you thank about sg Richmond for 38 minutes and sf Leonard for 24 minutes.
6/13/2012 12:58 AM
I loved the Leonard pick because I was taking either him or Paul George, they both have great rebounding at shooting guard. I'll have to look more into the Richmond pick.
6/13/2012 1:23 PM
In response to my team...My starting lineup will have the 89-90 Jordan. I know I am short on Oreb, but my Dreb is at 92% on the starters and the eFg of my starters is all over 55% accept for Lacey and he is my lowest usage starter so I am gambling on my efficient firepower bailing me out (yes I know it is risky but the GOAT should help cover some of the short comings). Plus I have just enough assists to keep me out of the assist penalty.
6/13/2012 5:34 PM
I think people forget 00-01 Ray Allen is 100% at PG.  With moderate ast% elsewhere, you can easily get away with it.  I don't like Peja there (Jordan is 8, Allen 4, Bynum 4 - that's already 16 usage points: ample room for low-usage specialists) but I do think you'll score some points!
6/13/2012 7:48 PM
this is only a test

Name Pos Usage% 2pt%# 3pt%# eFG% OReb% DReb% Ast% Stl% Blk%
99-00 Shaquille O'Neal C 31.2 57.6 0.0 57.4 11.4 23.3 11.9 0.5 4.4
96-97 Mookie Blaylock PG 21.9 50.3 36.4 52.8 4.2 10.6 21.2 3.3 0.4
89-90 Chris Mullin SF 24.8 57.0 37.5 57.0 4.9 11.3 12.7 1.7 0.8
09-10 Marcus Camby PF 12.9 47.4 28.5 47.7 11.9 30.0 10.6 1.9 3.8
11-12 Joakim Noah PF 15.8 50.9 0.0 50.8 13.2 20.2 10.6 1.0 2.8

6/14/2012 2:05 AM
hey it worked!  thanks wis for finally fixing your gd forums.
6/14/2012 2:05 AM
7) xxevilivexx (1) - Moses, Tyson Chandler, Donyell Marshall, Kris Humphries, Tracy McGrady, Nick Van Exel, John Starks

this is mcgrady's team for sure, and not moses. mcgrady is higher octane and will take the majority of shots, which is too bad. mcgrady's high usage is going to diminish marshall's and moses's effectiveness, and instead of humphries having a 15 point performance every 5 or 6 games, he will get them every 10 or 11 games. i think mcgrady was a mistake, you should have drafted westphal with his 73 def and much better efficiency. on the up side, this is an exciting team, and lots of female fans are gonna fill the seats (did you know van excel made a porno movie in l.a.? his schlong was measured at 9.9 inches when not excited. good god!). anyway, moses, tyson, donyell and k.h. was a work of art! perhaps the best 4-man combo in the league for boards, efficiency and intangibles. not sure if t-mac can play nicely with these fella's, the jury is out here... but van exel and STARKS? john friggin' starks? my 81 yr old grandmother gets closer to the basket with her shots than he does. the guy shoots 3's, but not very well. in fact, he does nothing very well except take up space, imo. ahe should not be in a 52 mil league. eddie jones, doc rivers, mo williams, connie hawkins, dom. wilkins... all would have been beeter choices i think. still, evil is getting proficient in team building, and he keeps surprising us with his creativity and risk taking while making the playoffs. so, i will probably be eating my words here in a few weeks. but mcgrady is a step backwards, and starks is 2 steps backward. however, that 4-man combo is 4 steps forward. 4-3 = 1. you probably make the dance, but there are vipers in this league who have solid squads top to bottom, and when starks meets the wolfman (lebron, jordan, pierce, kobe, etc), starks will be hyperventilating and that big a s s of his will be dragging. record, 48- 34.
6/14/2012 1:50 PM
13) xxevilivexx (2) - D Robinson, D Mutombo, Marques Johnson, A Hardaway, Paul George, Howard Eisley, Mark Landsberger

this team i hate! i hate not having drob on my team. i hate not having mutombo to give me def peace in the paint. i hate not having marques in the number 3 to guard the likes of bird, marshall, jones, marion, etc. and i hate not having my staple, penny, manning the point.  this team has 4 of my favorite 52 mil players. i love the admiral much more than shaq, gilmore, barkley, garnett, jabbar, etc. i'm just a little confused as to where you're gonna play drob since mutombo cannot play PF, and neither can drob, unless you play the 98% drob at the number 4.so, the 29 point drob at the number 4 while dikembe cleans the glass at center is a nice tandem. a powerful shot blocking, efficient-as-hell tandem who can make free throws. this is scary. and then penny and marques dishing, scoring and playing def. sheesh. but paul george? who the hell is this guy? living in china, i miss out on the new players sometimes... and george is a friggin' jewel! i will not overlook this guy in the future (just like i will not overlook ersan either). george has a 73 def, shoots threes, is efficient, and most importantly, one of those 19% usage guys (which i love!). evil, this is a very solid team. well built and quite formidable. eisley is a ho-hummer, but landsberger is NOT! i would have preferred jeff foster in this spot instead of landsberger, but mark is an excellent choice. there is just enough tier 2 and tier 3 scoring to give this team a lovely balance. drob should be in the top 5 in scoring if u'r gonna use his 29 ppg season. isn't that the 32% usage season? i'm too lazy to look it up. i really hate this team. big contender! should go deep in the playoffs if you're put in a division without too many wolfmen in it. nice job, evil! 51-31.
6/14/2012 2:10 PM
2) chris_snid - Wilt, Wes Unseld, Manu Ginobili, Charlie Edge, Terrell Brandon, Mitch Richmond, Kawhi Leonard

chris has chosen the right wilt (66-67 season) 18% usage, scores and is the human vacuum cleaner on the boards to be paired with unseld at the no. 4. good god! two low usage guys paired with 3 high usage guards, manu, brandon and richmond, 27%, 27% and 29%, with efficient charlie edge (another low usage guy) sandwiched in the middle. BALANCE! and this balance comes with big teeth. why big teeth? the sweet continuity chris will have with the 3 guards, always one of them on the floor mixes well with wilt's monster minutes who never leaves the floor. continuity is hard to create in this sim engine because of the crappy substitution logic inherent in the system. chris's depth chart at the no. 1 and no. 2 slots overcomes the lousy substitution machinations. great job there, chris. kawhi was another guy i knew little about, but he's efficient, plays 69 def, and shoots some 3's (51). his usage is a perfect mirror of charlie edges's, and again, chris builds upon the continuity of this team. but the hidden secret to this team is simply, the lack of fouls and turnovers. i believe this team will lead the lead in both of those categories. combine continuity, massive boards (5100+), sound def, efficient scoring, lots of 3's (the guards do well here) and correct usage, this is one of the 3 top teams in the league. i agree with dh, brandon is never drafted early enough. he gets dissed. a crime. i know it's difficult to squeeze him into a starting lineup with his high usage, but mr. snid by-passes that difficulty and draftgs 3 high usage guards while dressing the rest of the squad with lower usage players. how did you do this? this is close to a mozart symphony. i really like this team. the owners who set their defense to press in the final 3-4 mins when losing by (whatever) are gonna get burned. these guys do not foul, and they're not gonna cough up the ball either. you gotta be ahead of this squad in the 4th quarter with 3-4 mins left, or you're not going to overcome the difference (unless you can keep fouling wilt). but that's not gonna happen with the high usage guards. this team reminds me of a gargoyle! magical, deadly, and tempermental as hell. 55-27. finals. good job, mr. snid.
6/14/2012 3:15 PM
i hope chris doesnt lead the league in fewest turnovers....that means hed be making a mistake by running half court....wilt and manu should keep him middle of the pack im thinking...depends on how many teams run half court
6/14/2012 3:47 PM
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