33 RPI misses NT? Topic

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  School Conf Coach Rank RPI SOS Record Home Away Neutral Last 10 NT Projection
1. St. Johns Big East kimball 4 1 3 14-2 4-1 10-1 0-0 10-0 Lock
4. Louisville Big East fairbanka 3 15 37 16-1 4-1 12-0 0-0 9-1 Lock
8. Villanova Big East jetsons 12 4 6 13-4 3-1 10-3 0-0 7-3 Lock
9. Syracuse Big East hofhof 10 3 10 13-3 1-1 12-2 0-0 8-2 Lock
11. W. Virginia Big East kevbo65 21 7 5 12-5 3-1 9-4 0-0 7-3 Lock
22. Seton Hall Big East weavelove   14 1 11-6 3-3 8-3 0-0 5-5 Lock
24. Cincinnati Big East oldresorter 14 39 90 14-3 5-2 9-1 0-0 7-3 Lock
25. Rutgers Big East amsiegel 18 23 20 12-5 5-1 7-4 0-0 5-5 Lock
27. Connecticut Big East playmaker   31 68 13-3 6-1 7-2 0-0 7-3 Lock
43. Pittsburgh Big East jbohrman   46 40 11-6 2-4 9-2 0-0 5-5 Bubble
46. Georgetown Big East knappj   40 31 10-6 4-2 6-4 0-0 5-5 Bubble
100. Providence Big East     105 12 6-11 5-6 1-5 0-0 3-7 Out
6/12/2012 9:44 AM
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For what it's worth, Georgetown is going to need to need to go at least 4-6 the rest of the way in conference.  At this pace, they won't do that.  Plus, as they lose more, even to good teams, they will slide a little until they are on the bad end of the bubble.

At least, that's the way I think it will work, but we can track it.
6/12/2012 9:48 AM
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But I agree with prof and abitaamber.  Jbo is acting like every BCS conference in every world has every team with a sub-50 RPI. 

There just aren't that many super conferences like that.  The mediocre and worse BCS conferences, of which there are plenty, aren't getting the benefits that jbo is describing.
6/12/2012 9:50 AM
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Posted by isack24 on 6/12/2012 9:48:00 AM (view original):
For what it's worth, Georgetown is going to need to need to go at least 4-6 the rest of the way in conference.  At this pace, they won't do that.  Plus, as they lose more, even to good teams, they will slide a little until they are on the bad end of the bubble.

At least, that's the way I think it will work, but we can track it.
Well, makes a good little test case then.

6/12/2012 10:57 AM
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Posted by abitaamber on 6/12/2012 9:14:00 AM (view original):
a BCS team is not worthy of an at-large bid because they go 10-0 in the non con and follow that up with a 4-12 conference record

Please provide examples of 14-12/4-12 teams making the NT under the new system.  I haven't seen one yet.

I agree with Prof, all this talk about the BCS teams benefitting heavily from the new system is just that...talk, at least in terms of what he's saying.  The lower-end BCS teams are not bubbling in with bad conference records as some suggest...they are actually getting left out more than they did before.  It is very rare to see a team with less than  6 conference wins make the NT...in fact, I might suggest it isn't happening at all.
This is taking a line of my comment out of context. 
6/12/2012 11:26 AM
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Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/12/2012 11:26:00 AM (view original):
Posted by abitaamber on 6/12/2012 9:14:00 AM (view original):
a BCS team is not worthy of an at-large bid because they go 10-0 in the non con and follow that up with a 4-12 conference record

Please provide examples of 14-12/4-12 teams making the NT under the new system.  I haven't seen one yet.

I agree with Prof, all this talk about the BCS teams benefitting heavily from the new system is just that...talk, at least in terms of what he's saying.  The lower-end BCS teams are not bubbling in with bad conference records as some suggest...they are actually getting left out more than they did before.  It is very rare to see a team with less than  6 conference wins make the NT...in fact, I might suggest it isn't happening at all.
This is taking a line of my comment out of context. 
Say what? Out of context? No.  In fact, I put it in the exact context you put it in. 

Simply put, under the old system, it was very possible, and not uncommon to see BCS teams go 9-1/10-0 in non-con, and then go 4-12/5-11 in con play, and get in the NT.

Under the new system, it is not happening.  Period.
6/12/2012 12:08 PM
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Posted by abitaamber on 6/12/2012 12:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/12/2012 11:26:00 AM (view original):
Posted by abitaamber on 6/12/2012 9:14:00 AM (view original):
a BCS team is not worthy of an at-large bid because they go 10-0 in the non con and follow that up with a 4-12 conference record

Please provide examples of 14-12/4-12 teams making the NT under the new system.  I haven't seen one yet.

I agree with Prof, all this talk about the BCS teams benefitting heavily from the new system is just that...talk, at least in terms of what he's saying.  The lower-end BCS teams are not bubbling in with bad conference records as some suggest...they are actually getting left out more than they did before.  It is very rare to see a team with less than  6 conference wins make the NT...in fact, I might suggest it isn't happening at all.
This is taking a line of my comment out of context. 
Say what? Out of context? No.  In fact, I put it in the exact context you put it in. 

Simply put, under the old system, it was very possible, and not uncommon to see BCS teams go 9-1/10-0 in non-con, and then go 4-12/5-11 in con play, and get in the NT.

Under the new system, it is not happening.  Period.
Yes, when you pull a line out of a post rather than quoting the entire post, when you bypass the stated trains of thought that led to the line you soundbited, that is taking a comment out of context.   

No worries.  I'm not trying to prove that a 14-12/4-12 BCS team will make the NT.  Whatever you are trying to prove, I hope you are successful.
6/12/2012 12:46 PM
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Allen ACC is going to be a great test case for this.  The last couple seasons, the teams who've made the PIT ended up with losing records.  I'm just waiting for one of these 4-12 conference teams with a 16-12 overall record and top 30 RPI to make the NT.  It's going to happen in Allen, guaranteed. 

6/12/2012 1:17 PM
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Posted by abitaamber on 6/12/2012 12:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 6/12/2012 11:26:00 AM (view original):
Posted by abitaamber on 6/12/2012 9:14:00 AM (view original):
a BCS team is not worthy of an at-large bid because they go 10-0 in the non con and follow that up with a 4-12 conference record

Please provide examples of 14-12/4-12 teams making the NT under the new system.  I haven't seen one yet.

I agree with Prof, all this talk about the BCS teams benefitting heavily from the new system is just that...talk, at least in terms of what he's saying.  The lower-end BCS teams are not bubbling in with bad conference records as some suggest...they are actually getting left out more than they did before.  It is very rare to see a team with less than  6 conference wins make the NT...in fact, I might suggest it isn't happening at all.
This is taking a line of my comment out of context. 
Say what? Out of context? No.  In fact, I put it in the exact context you put it in. 

Simply put, under the old system, it was very possible, and not uncommon to see BCS teams go 9-1/10-0 in non-con, and then go 4-12/5-11 in con play, and get in the NT.

Under the new system, it is not happening.  Period.
im with him on this one. you totally pulled that out of context. you didn't put ANY of his context in, so i am not sure what you could possibly mean by, "in fact, i put it in the exact context you put it in". 

i agree with what you say about the BCS teams not making it going 4-12 anymore, and i think thats good. but that doesn't change the fact that you took his statement out of context, and what you took exception to with his statement had nothing to do with what he was really saying.
6/12/2012 1:20 PM
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Posted by jslotman on 6/12/2012 1:17:00 PM (view original):

Allen ACC is going to be a great test case for this.  The last couple seasons, the teams who've made the PIT ended up with losing records.  I'm just waiting for one of these 4-12 conference teams with a 16-12 overall record and top 30 RPI to make the NT.  It's going to happen in Allen, guaranteed. 

Allen ACC is not a great test case for anything.  It's always an exception, not the rule.  And it's again indicative of the bigger problem.  You can't point to one ludicrous superconference which is the product of a number of problems in the game as the reason to use go back to a really terrible method for seeding and choosing NT teams.  Well you can, but it's not a good idea.

And as other people are noting, that 16-12/4-12 Allen ACC team with the 40 RPI is much more likely to get in under the old system than the new. 

6/12/2012 1:31 PM
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Posted by isack24 on 6/12/2012 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jslotman on 6/12/2012 1:17:00 PM (view original):

Allen ACC is going to be a great test case for this.  The last couple seasons, the teams who've made the PIT ended up with losing records.  I'm just waiting for one of these 4-12 conference teams with a 16-12 overall record and top 30 RPI to make the NT.  It's going to happen in Allen, guaranteed. 

Allen ACC is not a great test case for anything.  It's always an exception, not the rule.  And it's again indicative of the bigger problem.  You can't point to one ludicrous superconference which is the product of a number of problems in the game as the reason to use go back to a really terrible method for seeding and choosing NT teams.  Well you can, but it's not a good idea.

And as other people are noting, that 16-12/4-12 Allen ACC team with the 40 RPI is much more likely to get in under the old system than the new. 

I couldn't agree with you more, isack.  Your suggestion that selbe should tackle the inherent problems causing all of this is the magnum opus of the entire thread so far.

6/12/2012 3:02 PM (edited)
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Posted by isack24 on 6/12/2012 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jslotman on 6/12/2012 1:17:00 PM (view original):

Allen ACC is going to be a great test case for this.  The last couple seasons, the teams who've made the PIT ended up with losing records.  I'm just waiting for one of these 4-12 conference teams with a 16-12 overall record and top 30 RPI to make the NT.  It's going to happen in Allen, guaranteed. 

Allen ACC is not a great test case for anything.  It's always an exception, not the rule.  And it's again indicative of the bigger problem.  You can't point to one ludicrous superconference which is the product of a number of problems in the game as the reason to use go back to a really terrible method for seeding and choosing NT teams.  Well you can, but it's not a good idea.

And as other people are noting, that 16-12/4-12 Allen ACC team with the 40 RPI is much more likely to get in under the old system than the new. 

In season 53 Virginia got an at-large after going 5-11 in conference. Of course then they made the championship game.
6/12/2012 3:08 PM
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Posted by acn24 on 6/12/2012 3:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by isack24 on 6/12/2012 1:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by jslotman on 6/12/2012 1:17:00 PM (view original):

Allen ACC is going to be a great test case for this.  The last couple seasons, the teams who've made the PIT ended up with losing records.  I'm just waiting for one of these 4-12 conference teams with a 16-12 overall record and top 30 RPI to make the NT.  It's going to happen in Allen, guaranteed. 

Allen ACC is not a great test case for anything.  It's always an exception, not the rule.  And it's again indicative of the bigger problem.  You can't point to one ludicrous superconference which is the product of a number of problems in the game as the reason to use go back to a really terrible method for seeding and choosing NT teams.  Well you can, but it's not a good idea.

And as other people are noting, that 16-12/4-12 Allen ACC team with the 40 RPI is much more likely to get in under the old system than the new. 

In season 53 Virginia got an at-large after going 5-11 in conference. Of course then they made the championship game.
Some real life analysts swear by the notion that tournament success is not a justification for inclusion because it's after the fact.  VCU making the Final Four as a bubble team did not change the fact that they were a bubble team.

As an aside, that's a pretty awesome run by Virginia.
6/12/2012 3:16 PM
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Well, I guess I just didn't comprehend his point because I thought that was exactly what he was trying to say.  My apologies extended.
6/12/2012 3:23 PM
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Posted by abitaamber on 6/12/2012 3:23:00 PM (view original):
Well, I guess I just didn't comprehend his point because I thought that was exactly what he was trying to say.  My apologies extended.
Thanks abitaamber and no problem.  I think all of us want HD to be a better game...so where it really matters, we're all on the same side.
6/12/2012 3:53 PM
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