Posted by stinenavy on 7/11/2012 12:42:00 PM (view original):
Added a draft position the right hand column.

Name	Position	Year	School	Prestige	Award	A	SPD	REB	DE	BLK	LP	PE	BH	P	WE	ST	DU	FT	TOT	Drafted
William Numbers	SG	JR	St.Johns	A+	3rd AC	99	69	43	100	23	58	92	92	75	68	89	62	B-	870	47
Luke Brown	SF	JR	Syracuse	A	2nd AA	97	75	67	96	50	95	54	89	87	76	88	96	C	970	5
Kyle Roberts	SF	JR	Auburn	A	1st AA	100	71	72	99	67	88	81	82	89	89	84	70	B	992	2
David Stewart	SF	SO	LSU	A	2nd AC	95	75	80	92	75	71	94	74	81	86	87	63	C+	973	7
Kenneth Whitfield	PF	JR	LSU	A	Didn't Start	97	55	87	99	75	94	49	59	75	73	81	31	C	875	8
Billy Wallace	PF	JR	UConn	B	Didn't Start	73	42	83	88	69	92	68	59	63	59	72	51	C	819	58
Joseph Lange	PF	SO	ISU	A-	1st AC	86	51	87	93	63	94	67	57	70	59	70	57	C	854	20
Eddie West	PF	JR	Pitt	A	2nd AA	98	73	99	99	99	99	96	53	72	79	74	90	C	1031	1
Edward Pitre	PF	JR	Illinois	A+	2nd AC	85	77	94	94	97	93	70	43	48	49	77	72	C	899	10
Scott Baca	PF	JR	Vandy	B	3rd AC	95	49	78	94	68	96	66	62	73	76	79	94	C+	930	30
Daniel Jones	PF	JR	LSU	A	1st AC	99	52	98	94	78	64	54	73	75	75	67	98	C-	927	13
John Graham	PF	JR	St.Louis	B	1st AC	87	70	76	97	76	93	79	49	74	55	76	76	C+	908	27
Duane Dey	PF	SO	Pitt	A	3rd AC	96	67	85	95	70	78	65	55	48	42	76	43	C	820	42
Joseph Rathbun	PF	JR	Memphis	B+	None	91	59	83	98	74	73	84	63	42	86	80	60	B-	893	51
Paul Winters	PF	SO	St.Johns	A+	2nd AC	93	61	90	89	84	95	10	60	68	63	71	39	C	823	34
Raymond Pullum	C	JR	St.Johns	A+	None	86	38	94	92	82	86	45	41	51	79	70	58	D	822	59
Steven Burton	C	JR	Illinois	A+	2nd AA	100	51	99	99	100	99	34	46	70	92	87	64	C+	941	4
Michael Gill	C	JR	LSU	A	1st AC	90	44	97	99	99	99	10	53	66	75	80	37	B-	849	33
Bruce Hove	C	JR	OK	A+	2nd AC	96	31	99	99	99	75	80	59	52	66	73	70	C+	899	22
Salvatore Lombardi	C	RS SO	Miss St	A	3rd AC	99	51	95	94	84	97	76	69	51	89	83	57	C	945	14

16 juniors, 4 sophomores and 0 freshman.  Very telling.  Think changes are working as intended.  Once they balance the big guy/ guard distribution looks like everything will work as it was supposed to in regard to the original change.

secondarily, they really need to fix the international RS glitch.  it's starting to be abused pretty bad.  i just found out about it and haven't used it but Salvatore Lombardi reminded me of it.

With all due respect Namshub...what's your point?  When have FR EVER left early in this game?   Beyond rare, and wasn't even an element of what was being discussed.  You are attempting to interject into the argument without quite understanding what the argument about FR was relating to...

Posted by abitaamber on 7/12/2012 1:25:00 PM (view original):
With all due respect Namshub...what's your point?  When have FR EVER left early in this game?   Beyond rare, and wasn't even an element of what was being discussed.  You are attempting to interject into the argument without quite understanding what the argument about FR was relating to...

Actually, I think namshub hit it with his freshmen comments.

The major problems that people were complaining about with Freshmen were:
1.  Because they have low IQ they can not be effective as Freshmen (on really good teams).
2.  They are leaving early before they can get good (that is, increase their IQ).

So .. this seems to fix one of those issues.  No Freshmen left early, so they got to increase their IQ and can be good as Sophomores.   Only 4 Sophomores left early.  So not many of those either.  16 Juniors left.

So I agree with namshub that WRT just EE's ... they have solved the problem of a bunch of guys leaving as Freshmen and Sophomores before they have a chance to make an impact.  And this WAS being discussed as a major issue recently in Div-1A.

Now, that does not address the IQ issue of "immediate impact" freshmen ... which is a separate issue that Early Entries in Rupp.  (which is what this thread is about)  If they also want to make some freshmen either grow better at IQ or start higher at IQ so they can make an impact sooner, then that would also be fine.

Posted by abitaamber on 7/12/2012 1:25:00 PM (view original):
With all due respect Namshub...what's your point?  When have FR EVER left early in this game?   Beyond rare, and wasn't even an element of what was being discussed.  You are attempting to interject into the argument without quite understanding what the argument about FR was relating to...

read the whole thread.  i'm sure you'll get the gist of it.

Pretty sure the argument was about "immediate impact" freshman, and not about whether FR were leaving early...in fact, FR were NOT leaving early before the update, either.

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

As someone whose had more EEs than anyone in Rupp, I'll say that Dac has it absolutely right.  Not only are EE's a chickensh*t tactic to 'even' the playing field its a totally ineffective one.  If anything, for the reasons stated above, EE's increased the gap between A's & B's.  Its more an annoyance than anything else - I can still win 30 games with 5 freshmen.  We need to return the competitive balance of this game to where it once was - do it the right way, fix recruiting

One of my main points is that we cannot have true impact freshmen and sophomores when we should.  I like the idea of creating recruits with higher IQs.  Some should start with B+ or A- IQs.  And the sophomores who declare should be the ones who had the IQ and ratings to be dominant. 

Posted by night_train on 7/13/2012 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

As someone whose had more EEs than anyone in Rupp, I'll say that Dac has it absolutely right.  Not only are EE's a chickensh*t tactic to 'even' the playing field its a totally ineffective one.  If anything, for the reasons stated above, EE's increased the gap between A's & B's.  Its more an annoyance than anything else - I can still win 30 games with 5 freshmen.  We need to return the competitive balance of this game to where it once was - do it the right way, fix recruiting

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Posted by night_train on 7/13/2012 1:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dacj501 on 7/10/2012 11:41:00 PM (view original):

Posted by utahjazz88 on 7/10/2012 5:40:00 PM (view original):
I agree with the sentiment that it should not be more predictable.  The random part of the EE process is a good thing.  IMO, the EE process should have been left unchanged. 

If there is one thing that should be fixed is to lessen the chances of multiple players declaring from the same team.  The elite teams get killed by making the top guys always declare. 

except thats not true. The elite teams rarely get "killed" when multiple EEs go - they just take their A or A+ and their 5 or 6 ships and take as many top 25 players as they need (note - that's my perception, and an unstudied one, so maybe I'm wrong...)

As someone whose had more EEs than anyone in Rupp, I'll say that Dac has it absolutely right.  Not only are EE's a chickensh*t tactic to 'even' the playing field its a totally ineffective one.  If anything, for the reasons stated above, EE's increased the gap between A's & B's.  Its more an annoyance than anything else - I can still win 30 games with 5 freshmen.  We need to return the competitive balance of this game to where it once was - do it the right way, fix recruiting

You must have an alias...

I've just released some tweaks to the draft ranking logic to address the concerns brought up in this thread.  The new logic will better balance the 5 positions.  Also some players may be evaluated for a different position than their listed one if their ratings indicate a different natural position.

Many of the undrafted Rupp PGs brought up here ended up being drafted (some pretty highly) during my testing with the new logic.  This should trickle down to having more balance in early entries by position as well.

thx seble.  appreciate the efforts.  in this player's opinion, the sky isn't falling with regard to EE's and your recent fix is a good one.  Stability moving forward with the process so we can observe after numerous seasons.  thanks for the time.