Posted by copernicus on 4/11/2016 9:55:00 PM (view original):

I've never been crazy about Donyell. I do like Shaq a lot, but I feel like Donyell is really only picked in the 2nd for his defense and rebounding. I see guys that haven't even been drafted yet that can fill that role pretty well.

D and threes (34% of his shots at 40% from behind the arc) + boards + economy at 100% SF effectiveness - put his primary stats into the search engine and you get 1 season of Larry Bird, 1 season of Shawn Marion and Donyell's 03-04 season - think you may want to take a second look

I love Donyell! I've used him more times than I can count. I used him on probably 75% of my teams in Hoosiers leagues.. And I won 3 titles and lost in the finals several times in Hoosiers leagues.. He's on my DH 52 league team right now.. Not going as well as planned.. But part of that is because I did a terrible job drafting my division.

"The defense is rock solid, but now you're tasked with finding an efficient guard, more usage, and 40-60 D a piece. Price is just over the line of what I consider to be average in the TO department, which is bad because you've already got two guys that are turnover-prone. I'm not sure which Jordan you're using, but most of them are kind of bad in terms of TO's. I'm going to assume that this will be a problem. If it were me, I would've bailed on efficiency and stuck with my defensive theme."

Really the only Jordan season with high TOs is the PG season.. The rest are very low considering his usage.

Considering his usage. OK, but he also had Webber and Price, who are high for their usage. If you have three guys above 3.6, 3.7 TOP48, you're in trouble in that department.

You (bds) need to look up something called tov %. The goat is one of the best at low turnovers.

and the mailman should never go lower than 7, and that's being conservative. Wilt lebron mj (soon curry) shaq kareem mailman. Find guys with 30%+ usg% & 55%+ efg%. I think Durant & Bird are the only two left that do that, and neither are 90 def / 30% creb%

yeah... Dh's love for the mailman is not unwarranted

Posted by ashamael on 4/12/2016 1:23:00 AM (view original):
You (bds) need to look up something called tov %. The goat is one of the best at low turnovers.

and the mailman should never go lower than 7, and that's being conservative. Wilt lebron mj (soon curry) shaq kareem mailman. Find guys with 30%+ usg% & 55%+ efg%. I think Durant & Bird are the only two left that do that, and neither are 90 def / 30% creb%

yeah... Dh's love for the mailman is not unwarranted

Ewing, Barkley, Dantley are there or close to it, but the point is a good one....... A 3.9 TO/48 from a guy with 30% usage is better than a 3.0 TO/48 rate from a guy with 18 usage...

do we know that TOV% is accounted for in the SIM?

the way I see it, a guy with 24.2 Usg% is less likely to turn the ball over than a guy with 32.2 Usg% because.....well, the guy with the higher usage touches the ball more, and is therefore more likely to turn it over.

in a different league I used 08-09 LeBron. He averaged 4+ TOPG, more than he was expected to do, but it made sense due to his 34.2 Usg%.

still, MJ (who I don't even think is the RL GOAT, to be honest) doesn't shoot many 3's, he's not an exceptional passer, and I don't think that 3.9 TOP48 will come down. if anything, he'll be surrounded by guys with a lot less usage who won't turn the ball over. that balances it out, but I don't see why you draft MJ when you could draft Barkley, Bird or Durant. Those guys either rebound better, pass better, or shoot more threes, and all of them have prime seasons that cost $2m less than MJ, which is vital in this league.

i hate Karl and MJ......for this league. i can count on one hand the guys that you absolutely need, based on salary, 3 pt shooting, rebounding, etc., in the 2nd and 3rd in order to make a Karl or MJ team work, and that limits your options. Barkley and Bird are both cheaper, and Durant is a really good passer and rebounder at the 2 or 3. I just think that lower salary guys increase your options, and higher salary guys limit them, which is a problem if you draft in the end of the 2nd/top of the 3rd. just my strongly felt opinion.

for what it's worth, MJ hasn't won a championship in the last 30 ODL seasons. Karl has won two, but in those he had Tyson and Parish next to him

Posted by bds9992 on 4/12/2016 3:56:00 AM (view original):
do we know that TOV% is accounted for in the SIM?

the way I see it, a guy with 24.2 Usg% is less likely to turn the ball over than a guy with 32.2 Usg% because.....well, the guy with the higher usage touches the ball more, and is therefore more likely to turn it over.

in a different league I used 08-09 LeBron. He averaged 4+ TOPG, more than he was expected to do, but it made sense due to his 34.2 Usg%.

still, MJ (who I don't even think is the RL GOAT, to be honest) doesn't shoot many 3's, he's not an exceptional passer, and I don't think that 3.9 TOP48 will come down. if anything, he'll be surrounded by guys with a lot less usage who won't turn the ball over. that balances it out, but I don't see why you draft MJ when you could draft Barkley, Bird or Durant. Those guys either rebound better, pass better, or shoot more threes, and all of them have prime seasons that cost $2m less than MJ, which is vital in this league.

"Now that we have picked a player, we must determine what he will do with the ball. There are three things he can do: turn the ball over (3), shoot (5) or be fouled (4). Every player has a real-life turnover percentage, field goal attempt percentage and times fouled percentage that is relative to his total number of actual possessions. At this point, many factors can adjust those percentages and affect whether we go to step 3, 4 or 5. Generally, we will view the chance that he shoots as the amount remaining after modifications to fouled percentage and turnover percentage. These factors include: the man defending the player, the rest of the defense, the type of offense, the type of defense, a player’s fatigue value, any team under-possession penalty and the player’s over-possession penalty."

from the FAQ

in the last 30 ODL seasons, Mike has not won one ring. just sayin

probably not due to Mike's TOs, his 9.8% TOV in the 89-90 season is elite (especially for a guy with 33% usage and 55%efg)

i get that

TOV% is obviously accounted for in the sim but I respect bds going out on a limb with the evals

well, i see that my opinions aren't widely held, but i hope they're logical. limbs or none, that was my intent.

BDS thanks for the evaluations Mark Jackson was a flexibility move because I want to get to a certain assist percentage and helped my choices when I'm picking in the fifth round

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