Posted by winnetka1 on 2/13/2020 12:33:00 PM (view original):
So agree Bob. Nice rant!

I agree with both Winnetka1 and laramiebob here. I am only saying that veterans should not be called whiners if they talk about the cost of war, as they are the ones who know it.

I absolutely agree that the endless post-9/11 thing of "God Bless America" with the endless thanks so service people and the other professionals mentioned is getting old; it feels forced and has also been overdone.

I never liked the Clintons, though I voted for Bill the first time. I liked Obama but he ended being a technocrat who disappointed me, though I appreciate the good things he did do, but he ceded so much to the Wall Street gang. But he at least does not seem corrupt to me, and believes the centrist and elitist stuff he says and does. But Bill Clinton seemed like a Democratic version of Nixon already to me in 1992.

Don't get me wrong: there ARE important ideological differences, and differences on social issues. I am sure laramiebob and I disagree on some things that we each care a lot about.

But I don't think that these are the MAIN division anymore. The real division is between a corporate/finance/media/tech elite and their stranglehold on politics and policy - favoring globalization at all costs, favoring a version of multiculturalism the ends up with no place being allowed to have its own local character, because what place is allowed to not become as multicultural as New York and Los Angeles?; favoring finance over the real economy of production of goods, services and jobs, and the skills at work that go with them, and so the character traits - hard work, ability, know-how (has ANYONE heard that phrase in decades, let alone applied to Americans as our key national trait? I am old to remember when it was an everyday common expression about us); a winner-take-all celebrity culture of "winners" and "losers" (most of the rest of us).

I don't like Trump, but I dislike THEM more than I dislike HIM, (it's close) and I have NOTHING against most of Trump's' voters, even if we vote for different candidates. They have the same problems I have, and my friends have: trying to hang on to a job, not making enough to live on despite how hard you work, trying to raise families without drugs, homelessness, violence and crime, divorce over the stress of the kind of life we have all been led to live, avoiding bankruptcy over medical bills (I live in Italy and believe me, public health care is the cat's pajamas), trying to afford education for our kids (again, while I would love to send my daughter to an American university, she can go to great colleges in Italy for essentially free - only registration fees which are based on family income).

WE have more in common with each other, despite ideological differences, than WE have with THEM. That is why they love the wedge issues. things that will divide us.

Baseball used to unite us. It still could. Back to basics. But thanks to both of you for your posts and for the compliments.

Ah, baseball. The REAL American game. The balanced game, no clock.
Now, IF they'd just stop tinkering with the rules to try and get uninterested folks interested.

Ruining baseball to try and attract the masses of stupid people will just disinterest the REAL baseball fans.
Strategy is a major part of baseball. When their are baserunners on base the game slows down and SHOULD!!
Let those with no attention spans watch soccer or something. Play on the internet. Read their smartphones, whatever the disinterested and short attention span folks do.

Don't dumb down baseball to the lowest common denominator of our society.
That's what happened to Football........... the games have gotten so boring folks have to have another "game" to play to make football interesting.
Fantasy, points for scoring and yards, etc. STUPID!!!

of course jill stein ran to hurt clinton.
why would that seem absurd.
are you aware that she at least once sat at a small round table for dinner with putin.
thats right.


when we live in a nazi society i will stop respecting the military people.

i respect the military people but i do not respect the current united states.
i no longer think of the united states as aspirational until it changes back.
i support the people who kneel at the national anthem.
they are not disrespecting military or policeman.
and i agree with their sentiments.

So you think Gabbard is running for POTUS just to damage the Dems??
To aide Putin??

I never said it was absurd that Stein did anything. Don't know much about her except I did hear that she had had dinner with Putin.
So. Hasn't Biden?
Or HRC had dinner with Putin?

Hell, I'D have DINNER with Putin IF it was on him.
Doesn't mean that I'd assist him in any way about anything.
Just that I was hungry.

And look, I respect military people for their DESIRE to serve.
AND I respect them for personally sacrificing for the people of this Country.................. right up until they start harming the very people they're supposed to be serving.
Do you think the officers who fired into the crowd at Kent State Univ. in 1968(?) deserve to be "honored" for their service to Nixon?
They shot protestors on a US campus exercising their right of speech!
Just doing their job, man!
Well, that just BS!
They knew (or SHOULD have known) better.
those were children of another citizen.........just like their own kids!
Sometimes, service requires an honorable citizen to "just say NO" to an improper command.
No matter the personal cost.
Something this Administration's appointees (and our Congress) don't have the cajones to do!!

Really Dino?

I suspect most other readers here would dispute which of us tends to post comments bordering on lunacy.
I try to be quite precise.

And you really don't think that Biden or HRC (or even Bill) has been at some State dinner where Putin was present??
I honestly have no idea but I sure would have expected that sometime in the past a dinner with the Head of the Russian Gov't would have seemed a diplomatic event to attend.
Maybe not.
Still.

I don't have any broad brushes and I don't post lunacy or endorse the lunatic fringe.
I'll refrain from calling you names and I'd expect more of you than to refer to other posters as lunatics.........unless, of course, they do make statements of lunacy!

like blindly endorsing honoring military people just because they're in the Military.
Regardless of what Military they're in or WHAT actions they're committing.
IMO, using Military force to achieve a political objective is rarely, if ever, honorable!

Full of insults aren't you.
I read OK.
I also think a State dinner event is the epitome of a "social" dinner.
AND I think you get "off the beam" on occasion.
Renew the med prescription, maybe?

OK, whatever.
Have a good day Dino.
Put the disagreement with me behind you.
Move on.
We still share more in common than apart.

How far off of the beaten path is this? Probably not seeing this on MSNBCNN, are we?

https://gen.medium.com/ive-been-a-democrat-for-20-years-here-s-what-i-experienced-at-trump-s-rally-in-new-hampshire-c69ddaaf6d07

If you believe that most Republicans are racist, your cheese has slid further off your cracker than you think it has...

I have nieces and nephews that are mixed. I am godfather to a few of them. They are family, dear to me...

You lose me talking about reparations. I am no more responsible for slavery or racial injustice than those kids are. You'll solve nothing, merely incensing another group of people, causing more bad blood. It is a politician's way to get a vote, and a way for one group to feel they are doing something good. It is not justice. It is pitting one group against another.

And stop calling me a fascist. Fascism is book burning, using the government to overpower dissenters. Such as weaponizing the IRS against political opponents, not allowing opposing views on college campuses, or tearing down monuments that don't fit your narrative. All of which a liberal Democrat used to vehemently oppose, not embrace.

It's one thing to not like Trump, another completely to trash his supporters, to label us nasty, hateful things. Please reconsider...he is far from perfect, but we see a way forward with him at the tiller. When I see a Tax Foundation study that says Bernie's policies would cause a 9% drop in GDP, causing mass layoffs, you expect me to follow him? That's your answer? I'm not going to vote to intentionally derail the train. No thank you.

Most White Nationalists are Cult 45 members.