Posted by lostnfound74 on 11/9/2021 8:48:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2021 2:52:00 PM (view original):

You hear people say that the culture war is something concocted by the right. That one article alone kind of proves that’s not true. The right notices these divisive statements and then left gets mad at the right for noticing.

Nah, this is bullshit. Take CRT for example. It's a critical course taught in college classes that's existed since the 70's, but some conservative activists (namely Rufo) decided to pretend that it's being taught in elementary schools all of a sudden and make it their new culture war grift. Rufo self-admits that CRT was a grift. There wasn't some escalation of CRT, it was just something that the right decided to capitalize on and make a big deal out of. Consistently you see the right take some niche culture war issue, explode it for a few months, and then ditch it when it's not politically expedient anymore.

That's why you get "critical race theory" bills that don't actually mention CRT.

Like, we actually had conservatives ranting about DR SEUSS AND MR POTATO HEAD ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE. Don't pretend that the left amplifies these issues. At best, some niche activist says something and the entire conservative movement makes it the core of their message for a month. That's not the left pushing culture war issues.

What does Bernie Sanders and AOC talk about? They talk mainly about economic policy. What do far-right people mainly talk about? Culture war bullshit. That's the difference.

To further amplify this point, listen to the average Trump speech vs the average Biden speech. Count how many times they talk about policy/economic stuff versus how many times they rant about the culture war. Also pay attention to the crowd. I've seen Bernie Sanders rallies. You know what gets the crowd excited there? ECONOMIC POLICY STUFF. You know when the Trump crowd gets the most loud? When Trump says "woke bad" or some ****. It's so incredibly obvious who cares about real issues and who is just trying to scare their base into voting for them to troll the left or whatever.

Here we go again. Trump DOES care about the real issues, and unlike most of Biden & co, he knows what they are.

Meanwhile, another 5 thousand Mexican gang members will enter the US illegally.. but hey. open borders, Your current government is going to bankrupt you

Do I hope I am wrong? YES. Do I name Pelosi, Lizzie Warren, and a dozen others as America SECOND? Yes I do and they are marxists.. and they are destroying the US and the Democrats talk about woke and the other garbage too, in fact they like it. They are moral reprobates, for the large part.. and only sex perverts would endorse their agendae. In short, EG: If you don't know what gender you are, you are indeed stupid.. and there are only two. Kids get bullied now for saying that. So do adults. See how twisted this is??? Reprobates.. and woke is insane

What has all this CRT done for the US, so far??? How come today's kids cannot even spell? Or do simple math?

have at it

Not to nitpick, but calling a government official a Marxist is kind of an oxymoron. There is no government in Marxism.

also, not to nitpick, but Trump does not are about anything other than Trump. Most politicians care mostly about themselves and what power they have and can keep, in my opinion.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2021 8:57:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by Jetson21 on 11/8/2021 11:30:00 PM (view original):
And I agree with that also.
After full investigation charges may not have been warranted but this had such a terrible look had to be tried for the reasons you stated.

I really agree with you that the law has to be applied properly.
Somehow I am sure that most people won’t understand or accept the law.
I am sure glad that there was no racial element to this tragic mess.

A racial element was never in question by any sane person. A white guy shot 3 other white guys. I have seen articles titled things like “race is an underlying element of Rittenhouse trial.” The authors of those articles are clearly not sane people.

Only when you zoom in to the micro level, but on a larger scale, it's a white guy who brought a gun to a civil rights protest to "protect the neighborhood" or whatever and shot people. I haven't been following the trial, but I'm guessing the characterization of the protests is a pretty big influence on how someone would view his actions.

Is it the most important element? Of course not. But it's not crazy to suggest that it's an underlying element.

Okay. Let’s zoom into the details. There has been zero evidence that Kyle was associated with ANY far right group. The prosecution has even acknowledged this. The first guy that he shot was constantly screaming the n-word. You can speculate all you want, but if we’re strictly going to use facts it’s safe to surmise that Rosenbaum was the actual racist.

Kyle did associate with the proud boys, but that was after the shooting. But regardless, I never claimed that Kyle was racist, only that the case itself has racial undertones.

Please elaborate. This doesn’t make sense to me. It’s a case of a white guy shooting white guys. Yes, they were protesting alleged police violence against a black person. But Kyle didn’t have an issue with protestors. He had an issue with rioters and arsonists. I would wager that the people doing the destruction were not their because they cared about “social justice”. They saw an opportunity to do damage. This is evidenced by the fact that Rosenbaum was screaming the n-word. Most people that I know that care about “social justice” agree that the use of that word is wrong and racist if screamed by someone that isn’t black.

It's marginal, but the way you see the broader BLM movement and more specifically the protests in Kenosha would definitely affect the way you see this specific case. If you think BLM is a violent movement destroying cities left and right, you'd probably be more inclined to sympathize with Rittenhouse, and the vice versa is true as well. And of course, racial politics definitely factor into how someone views the BLM movement.

So yeah, there's undertones here. I don't think it should radically change anything or affect much, but it's still fair to point out.

Posted by lostnfound74 on 11/9/2021 9:01:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2021 6:47:00 PM (view original):
Tang, how’s your sister doing? I hope her recovery is going well.

Not great. It's been about a year since she got COVID and her condition has steadily gotten worse since then. She has trouble breathing sometimes, still can't sit up, and deals with constant dizziness and chest pain. My family has gotten her checked out at a couple of hospitals and tried out some treatments, which do stop the decline for a period. She got on oxygen which has helped. We're still fighting to get insurance to help out more.

How old is she Tang? I won't ask what measures your family has taken re: vitamins and etc, because no doubt you are doing everything you can. This Co thing is nasty and it hits some of us very hard. I hope and pray she recovers, and in 2 years is better than any time in her last 5. Maybe you could give her first name and then we can intercede in prayer and I also believe this makes a difference.

Hang in there bub

She's in high school. I'm not going to give names or specifics because that would kinda end up doxxing me, and I like anonymity.

Posted by strikeout26 on 11/9/2021 8:59:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by Jetson21 on 11/9/2021 2:59:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 11/9/2021 2:52:00 PM (view original):

You hear people say that the culture war is something concocted by the right. That one article alone kind of proves that’s not true. The right notices these divisive statements and then left gets mad at the right for noticing.

Nah, this is bullshit. Take CRT for example. It's a critical course taught in college classes that's existed since the 70's, but some conservative activists (namely Rufo) decided to pretend that it's being taught in elementary schools all of a sudden and make it their new culture war grift. Rufo self-admits that CRT was a grift. There wasn't some escalation of CRT, it was just something that the right decided to capitalize on and make a big deal out of. Consistently you see the right take some niche culture war issue, explode it for a few months, and then ditch it when it's not politically expedient anymore.

That's why you get "critical race theory" bills that don't actually mention CRT.

Like, we actually had conservatives ranting about DR SEUSS AND MR POTATO HEAD ON THE FLOOR OF THE HOUSE. Don't pretend that the left amplifies these issues. At best, some niche activist says something and the entire conservative movement makes it the core of their message for a month. That's not the left pushing culture war issues.

What does Bernie Sanders and AOC talk about? They talk mainly about economic policy. What do far-right people mainly talk about? Culture war bullshit. That's the difference.

The problem is that it is taught in just a few places in public schools and has found its way into state education websites in at least Virginia. I don’t know if it is any other states’ websites.

This is accurate.

Can you link this? I'm curious. The idea that crt is taught in public schools is highly dubious.

Keep in mind that diversity training taught by clowns like Robin D'Angelo are not CRT. They're almost the opposite in a way.

At least we agree that Robin DiAngelo is a clown who has become very rich talking about because she is racist, every other white person must be too.

Yeah, I really despise Robin DiAngelo. Not just because her diversity trainings are bullshit, and has failed to affect positive outcomes anywhere, but also good God the optics are horrible. She's given so much fuel to conservative fearmongering.

Because of DiAngelo, it's really easy to link her work that basically does call white people racist to CRT and overall broader efforts to reduce racism (despite the fact that CRT is effectively taking the exact opposite approach to racism as DiAngelo). It's done a lot of harm.

Not to nitpick, but calling a government official a Marxist is kind of an oxymoron. There is no government in Marxism.

I'll one-up your nitpicking. It would be more accurate to replace "marxism" in your last sentence with "communism." Marxism, colloquially, can mean a lot of things, from just Marx's work to all of the ideologies that Marx spawned. Technically, social democracy is an ideology that came from Marx's writings, so it would be Marxist. Social democrats still call for a government, however.

It is very funny that lostnfound immediately came to the rescue to further prove my point about conservatives amplifying culture war issues.

Leninism, socialism, Maoism and others may be off-shoots of Marxism, but they are definitely not Marxism. They are all perverse attempts to force Marx’s vision. Marx was very clear that what he envisioned would eventually lead to no government. I have don’t have a huge issue if what Marx envisioned the “economy” becoming actually happened because it would be a natural progression. It will never happen. Hierarchies are essential to civility. Jamestown is a great example on a small scale.

BS!! Hierarchies are NOT essential, CIVILITY IS!

Hierarchies have existed for 350M years. Every species has them.

That's true. But it doesn't mean I have to like them. Hierarchies are a means of holding individuals down. I don't LIKE that!

Why weep or slumber America
Land of brave and true
With castles and clothing and food for all
All belongs to you

Ev'ry man a king ev'ry man a king
For you can be a millionaire
But there's something belonging to others
There's enough for all people to share


When it's sunny June and December too
Or in the winter time or spring
There'll be peace without end
Ev'ry neighbor a friend
With ev'ry man a king

Nice Bags! I like it.

Posted by laramiebob on 11/10/2021 9:57:00 AM (view original):
That's true. But it doesn't mean I have to like them. Hierarchies are a means of holding individuals down. I don't LIKE that!

Anarchist comrade!

Anarchism has been around a LONG time, and yes, I do endorse it, but ONLY when living in an environment wherein everyone is mindful. Put another way anarchism works IF everyone can live by the "golden rule".

At least that's how I reckon that.

Obviously human beings are unable to collectively live by the golden rule without some type of authority.
If it is not a monarchy or dictatorship or democracy the human race has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that disorder breeds order by necessity for society to survive.
If there is no government then the authority becomes the most powerful religion and then leads ultimately to a more secular government in time.

unless you are talking about a gilligan’s island scenario.