Having a $50 million salary cap makes it more difficult, but this is BOWIS, it's supposed to be more difficult.

Ben - I also voted before I read the rules on autodraft and now I want my vote switched from blind auction to audraft - thanks for running this

I'm a little late to seeing there was voting, just voted silent auction. I think the autodraft is not a good idea for BOWIS. Might be fun, but I don't see it as a BOWIS skill. Pex's point is fair about ranking of most to least valuable players, but someone who gets LeBron or Magic has a distinct roster building advantage compared to David Robinson b/c of roster flex. Of course you can also end up with 3 or 4 centers or PG's and you're screwed. I just don't think this measures the skills we want to differentiate for BOWIS.

I voted auction, but don't love that either. I'm not sure how it works, do you have 24 owners potentially bidding for 6/7 rounds? It sounds like a nightmare to manage and would take forever to complete.

Era I'm not sure I understood, I thought it would just be 80's or something and I though that might be a little boring.

I don't love criticizing without making a suggestion, so I'll try to come up with ideas. Do others have alternative ides? It will be the final league to determine our champion.

Posted by jcred5 on 6/27/2023 8:30:00 AM (view original):
I'm a little late to seeing there was voting, just voted silent auction. I think the autodraft is not a good idea for BOWIS. Might be fun, but I don't see it as a BOWIS skill. Pex's point is fair about ranking of most to least valuable players, but someone who gets LeBron or Magic has a distinct roster building advantage compared to David Robinson b/c of roster flex. Of course you can also end up with 3 or 4 centers or PG's and you're screwed. I just don't think this measures the skills we want to differentiate for BOWIS.

I voted auction, but don't love that either. I'm not sure how it works, do you have 24 owners potentially bidding for 6/7 rounds? It sounds like a nightmare to manage and would take forever to complete.

Era I'm not sure I understood, I thought it would just be 80's or something and I though that might be a little boring.

I don't love criticizing without making a suggestion, so I'll try to come up with ideas. Do others have alternative ides? It will be the final league to determine our champion.

Thanks for sharing concerns Jcred.

Someone who gets LeBron always has a roster building advantage. If you think Magic gives you a significant advantage over David Robinson, then place him higher. Last time we did this, the team that won drafted Rudy Gobert in the first round despite only being 100% at center. The team with the best record drafted Karl Malone. The team that drafted Magic was in the bottom 5.

The auction league was run before and didn't take too long. I think it was three rounds total and it was pretty easy to manage.

It looks like the autodraft is going to win the vote. Personally I think it's a perfect BOWIS skill, but I understand the reservations. Hopefully everyone has fun.

I went back to one of the old BOWIS tourney's to mine some ideas. Some of them are dated or not terribly challenging (although I always liked scud's 800 pound Gorilla league where everyone has to use 61-62 Wilt with a 47M cap). Here are a few I thought would be interesting:

9-8-7 52M draft. Must draft one player from each range 9-10, 8-9 and so on.
No defense draft - can cap it at some number we prefer
My favorite and recommendation: 12 round individual season draft. Kind of a Savage hybrid. Combines the skills of the drafts we've already done and adds the season wrinkles. Would we get 12 LeBron's?

I'll certainly go with the majority, just throwing that out there.

Late to this - but autodraft is my strong preference out of the three. And I say this as someone who has never done autodraft at all before

Posted by jcred5 on 6/27/2023 9:44:00 AM (view original):
I went back to one of the old BOWIS tourney's to mine some ideas. Some of them are dated or not terribly challenging (although I always liked scud's 800 pound Gorilla league where everyone has to use 61-62 Wilt with a 47M cap). Here are a few I thought would be interesting:

9-8-7 52M draft. Must draft one player from each range 9-10, 8-9 and so on.
No defense draft - can cap it at some number we prefer
My favorite and recommendation: 12 round individual season draft. Kind of a Savage hybrid. Combines the skills of the drafts we've already done and adds the season wrinkles. Would we get 12 LeBron's?

I'll certainly go with the majority, just throwing that out there.

I’ve done all three of those that you mention at the bottom. Fun leagues. The BOWIS winner gets to choose the next wildcard, so just win it all!

The odds of me winning the whole thing are slim, but if I ever won BOWIS I would love to make the last league be a 12 round, 12 pick mini-savage, with everyone building three teams instead of five.

The silent auction actually would take less time than a regular draft.

If I ever win I want to have an all-ABA Draft League

if I win, this is what I would consider to do.
FIRST round of drafting we draft FRANCHISES. You can only use players who played for your franchise in a season they played for your franchise.
SECOND-SIXTH rounds of drafting we draft PLAYERS. If you picked last in the first round, then you pick first in 2nd round. Drafted players are exclusive to your team and can't be used by other franchises they played for. You can only draft players who played for your franchise. i.e. you don't have to draft players who only ever played for your franchise because you get them automatically. (Lakers get Magic/Kobe/Worthy/West automatically because no one else can draft them anyway)

So for example, lets say the Lakers get picked early in the franchise round. and the 76ers, Bucks, and Magic franchises all get picked after them. Now it's time to draft players in the second round. The Magic take Shaq. The Bucks take Kareem. The 76ers take Wilt (unless the Warriors do first). So the guy who drafted Lakers in Franchise round wouldn't get one of the big three centers. Still think you should have taken the Lakers? Who should Lakers draft in first round? You can draft the most advantageous player for your team, while also playing spoiler for other franchises.

Another example. If the Cavs are the last franchise picked, then they can pick Lebron first in 2nd round. That takes Lebron off the Heat and Lakers squads. So the order of drafting franchises becomes very important. You may pick the Heat or Lakers thinking they'll have a great franchise team, only to find out you don't get Lebron or Shaq because the Magic and Cavs were picked later in the first round.

I'd put a cap on it too. Max $50M. maybe $49M or $48M.. to level the playing field of the franchises
What do you think?

Nothing personal, but Midge hopes you don’t win because that is way too complicated for a simple guy like Midge. You are welcome to finish in second place.

Come on Midge! BOWIS is supposed to be hard. It's a franchise league with a twist. Has it been done before?

How about 1 round of drafting players. You pick one player that's exclusive to your franchise. That should allow people to figure out what franchise to draft when. We'll call the league Franchise Tag.
First we draft franchises. 1-24
Second we draft players. 24-1.
Two round draft. Easy peasy. For once people won't be bummed to get a later draft pick because they'll have more information to work with. Might even be an advantage.

Posted by pexetera on 7/3/2023 7:53:00 AM (view original):
How about 1 round of drafting players. You pick one player that's exclusive to your franchise. That should allow people to figure out what franchise to draft when. We'll call the league Franchise Tag.
First we draft franchises. 1-24
Second we draft players. 24-1.
Two round draft. Easy peasy. For once people won't be bummed to get a later draft pick because they'll have more information to work with. Might even be an advantage.

I think I like this idea better than your first one.