Posted by jhsukow on 8/17/2020 5:10:00 PM (view original):
A 5th rounder in S1, for Danny Granger it is not “if” it is...

https://imgur.com/a/92lQ5zf

He only has 2.5 seasons I am interested in using, but I like him as a Drexler/Durant backup. Just not a very sexy pick imo.

Honestly if we finish before the 19-20 players come out, people will probably be more mad at the guys who were fast lmao

^ My numbers are much more accurate and fair, sorry. You don’t get credit for picking fast when the pick before you was your own. Your way gives an incredible advantage to the turn and doesn’t reflect what we are actually trying to measure.

Posted by benhoidal on 8/17/2020 5:36:00 PM (view original):
^ My numbers are much more accurate and fair, sorry. You don’t get credit for picking fast when the pick before you was your own. Your way gives an incredible advantage to the turn and doesn’t reflect what we are actually trying to measure.

I can only venture to guess what kind of deeply embarrassing post this might be a reference to.

Posted by benhoidal on 8/17/2020 5:36:00 PM (view original):
^ My numbers are much more accurate and fair, sorry. You don’t get credit for picking fast when the pick before you was your own. Your way gives an incredible advantage to the turn and doesn’t reflect what we are actually trying to measure.

If you're apologizing for pick shaming during a pandemic, I forgive you.

If you're apologizing in order to be passive aggressive, I don't forgive you, and you missed the point.

Not that you should have ever measured this in the first place - because we're in a pandemic, and people's lives have changed dramatically, whether they've been home schooling, working as police or first aid, or have been out of work, furloughed, or evicted - but if you were going to measure it, at least account for the fact that I aided in the exact thing you tried to measure by making both picks simultaneously. That is to my credit. I have made ten picks, not five, and it is ridiculous to count ten picks as five. It is to my credit that I checked the draft thread often, that I checked the site every day, that I did twice the research (on certain days) for twice the picks, and that I could have made people wait by researching the second pick after the first pick - you can acknowledge that I didn't do this, right? - but I did not do this, and thus am entitled to my actual pick average. Neither ysw or myself had the luxury of any time between picks to research the second pick, and we did so without holding up the draft beyond the first pick. That is a good thing that should be rewarded, even by a futile and heartless exercise.

I'm definitely more mad about this exercise in its entirety, but I suppose I can also take advantage of the fact that you used this metric as a competition and didn't even do it correctly. One is not a substitute for the other. Both are valid points.

I wish you well. I want to respect your wishes of not being criticized on this site. I understand that things feel personal sometimes. Please stop forcing yourself in to these victim narrative.

everyone likes you. You are great. You are also making things extremely difficult.

New topic: for anyone else, when you go to the draft center and run a query, click on the hyperlink for one of the players in the results, what do you see?

I am getting this:
An error occurred on the server when processing the URL. Please contact the system administrator.

If you are the system administrator please click here to find out more about this error.

Other people wanted to see the data, I just crunched the numbers. You were one of those people. Giving you a bonus for making your second pick at the same time as the first pick is ridiculous and quite stupid to be honest. I’m not going to engage further. You’re wrong and it should be obvious enough as to why. I’ll post the complete data at the end of the draft.

Posted by robusk on 8/17/2020 5:58:00 PM (view original):
New topic: for anyone else, when you go to the draft center and run a query, click on the hyperlink for one of the players in the results, what do you see?

I am getting this:
An error occurred on the server when processing the URL. Please contact the system administrator.

If you are the system administrator please click here to find out more about this error.

I’m not getting an error.

Posted by benhoidal on 8/17/2020 6:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 8/17/2020 5:58:00 PM (view original):
New topic: for anyone else, when you go to the draft center and run a query, click on the hyperlink for one of the players in the results, what do you see?

I am getting this:
An error occurred on the server when processing the URL. Please contact the system administrator.

If you are the system administrator please click here to find out more about this error.

I’m not getting an error.

I just tried in Chrome and it was fine. Looks like a Firefox specific error.

Posted by jhsukow on 8/17/2020 5:56:00 PM (view original):
I wish you well. I want to respect your wishes of not being criticized on this site. I understand that things feel personal sometimes. Please stop forcing yourself in to these victim narrative.

everyone likes you. You are great. You are also making things extremely difficult.

This has nothing to do with me. Perhaps I haven’t communicated that effectively. ysw also “benefits,” for whatever that’s worth.

i just want to draft and play, man. That’s it. I initially objected to taking stock of pick times (as you may recall, because you reacted), and now I’m putting my foot down. Why? Because it’s petty. It is a pandemic, people’s lives have been dramatically altered, this is no way to address the current state of things. I don’t know if anyone will come out of the woodwork to vouch for this being the case, but I’m ready to assume that it is because of the drastic nature of our times. We know folks like Sam and booda would be directly affected if they were in, and I don’t want to assume that they’re the only ones.

To ben’s comment, you may be the superior statistician but you have not sufficiently made your case as to why ten picks should count as five. I’ve made my point. You haven’t found something that conflicts with it. Names are the tool of the defeated. I understand that you want to measure the ways in which we have made others wait, but I could have made you wait were I not prepared for both picks, and that is indisputable. If we’re about to have a discussion about the nature of free will, let’s do it. If not, assume that I made a decision to prepare both picks ahead of time so that my pick time was as low as it actually was.

Again, in case it’s been missed, my pick time was still low enough. Let’s not confuse one point for the other. But I’m not stupid for acknowledging that. And I’m certainly not stupid for recognizing (whether I’m the minority or not) that this was a ridiculous and careless exercise all along. If you need verification on that front, I’m not the one to ask because I’ve had it easy.

I think Ben should apologize. I think it would be funny and harmless under normal circumstances, but these are not normal circumstances. I’d easily concede the point about pick times if you’d admit that this was a tone deaf thing to do at a time like this.

You don’t have to oblige people who ask you for something, and you don’t have to take the side of someone who was asked to do something. I have no dog in this fight; I’m just articulating a thought on behalf of other people who don’t want to get into a whole story about their lives on a basketball SIM site. I’d like you to acknowledge some of this, because it’s the right thing to do

Also @jh - I am criticizing because I have been criticized. If the onus is on me, so be it.

So who do you guys got in the OKC/HOU series? How many games does it go to?

Thunder in 6.

Posted by dBKC on 8/17/2020 6:47:00 PM (view original):
So who do you guys got in the OKC/HOU series? How many games does it go to?

Assuming Westbrook doesn't play, I think OKC is actually plausible in 6 or 7. They have the personnel to punish them on the offensive glass and present defensive problems for Houston.

But also James Harden plays for Houston and they have a lot more depth. No outcome will surprise me in that series. Same with Utah/Denver.

Desperately hoping for Philly to pull the upset over Boston who I absolutely hate thanks to Simmons.

Blazers are a nightmare for the Lakers to defend but the Lakers are an even worse nightmare for Portland.