NAC Conference Topic

Quote: Originally posted by kujayhawk on 10/09/2007I think you're slightly overrating me, mizzou77. And I think you're severely underrating Elms. I think Elms can make it to postseason play this year.Johnson State *should* also be ahead of us -- but if texaskaze refuses to play his best team and instead chooses to play four guys who all pass the ball to Koffer, I'm not going to argue too hard that they deserve to be ranked ahead.

Anyway, here are the eagerly anticipated Thomas Predictions:

  • We finish non-conference play at 2-8. I think I know where one of the wins is coming from, but I don't want to provide bulletin board material for the other team. No idea where the second win is coming from but I don't see us losing all of the other 9 games.
  • 6-10 record in conference play. We're rebuilding, but we're a year ahead of a few teams so we will win a few conference games.
  • Michael Scott is selected Confrerence Freshman of the Year.
  • Michael Scott is the only Thomas player to make an All-Confrence team (honorable mention).
  • Despite my best efforts, neither William Richardson or Brian Trimble will transfer at the end of the season.
  • After 3 seasons of 20 minutes of practice for both O/D, Brian Trimble will have improved his freshman year's 'F' in the Flex to a B- and his 'C-' in the Zone to a 'B'.

  • We went 0-10 in non-conference play. Oops. We had (at least) two very winnable games and we blew 'em. Losing to Washington and Jefferson after being up 10 with less than 5 to go really hurt.
  • Did not expect to go 10-6 this season. Hope I don't offend too much, but as a whole the other 11 teams did not come close to meeting my expectations. I don't think we were nearly as good as we finished ... but a lot of that had to do with underachieving teams throughout the conference.
  • Bingo. Didn't really go out on a limb predicting some Freshman "success" for Michael Scott. Due to graduations and poor recruiting, he was my best post player pre-season. You can't say that about most freshmen.
  • Nobody made the three teams. That was correct. Scott was joined in honorable mention with a couple of others though.
  • To be determined, but this might be a bad prediction. Both players have complained and complained that I ignored their complaints. Obviously Trimble's work ethic didn't get worse, but Richardson's decreased 8 times this season. There may be hope yet.
  • Got this one right too. Wow this guy is dcan'umb. And I barely got it right. Trimble didn't make the leap to B in the zone until the third to last practice. How sad that in three full years with 20 minutes of practice, he's only increased four grades.



The non-conference schedule was a complete disaster and I apologize again. I don't think I kept anybody out of the postseason, but if I did I'm truly sorry.

As a whole the season wasn't too bad. 11 wins was a couple more than I expected. Michael Scott and James Lau have a pretty good inside-outside game that I can hopefully exploit for a couple more seasons. And my two true freshmen had fairly promising starts to their Thomas careers.

The slight "shocker" to the season was the vast number of turnovers. I thought I had a decent solution at the point guard spot, but that has to be revisited. I think the PG spot is probably going to be what holds us back next year.
11/12/2007 12:11 PM
Season ending #23 tracking post:
conference record 153 - 184 sos .4998 rpi .4875
North South
W/L Con rpi sos rate W/L Con rpi sos rate
Lasell 25- 6 15- 1 28 75 550 Farmington 18- 9 11- 5 124 263 526
Husson 22- 8 13- 3 47 79 551 Mount Ida 12-15 11- 5 176 85 524
Elms 12-17 7- 9 234 182 522 Presque Is. 18- 9 10- 6 195 379 526
John St 10-19 7- 9 269 167 543 Thomas 11-17 10- 6 196 69 521
Castle. 12-15 5-11 290 368 492 MMA 6- 21 3-13 372 375 471
Becker 5-23 3-13 357 229 475 Salem St 2- 25 1-15 365 151 489
11/17/2007 12:16 AM
Now for a quick glance into season #24... we'll see how close everyone ends up to these predictions.
These are simply removing the seniors, adding a little for off-season, and adding freshmen to fill out the rosters. If you take a W/O or suck at recruiting... your results may vary
North
Sr. Jr. Schols. Rating Now #24 Prediction
#1. Johnson St. 5 4 3 543 508 Stronger
#2. Husson 2 2 5 551 505 Weaker
#3. Lasell 2 2 6 572 490 Much Weaker
#4. Becker 2 5 1 475 480 Stronger
#5. Castleton 4 2 6 529 455 Weaker
#6. Elms 1 0 6 522 450 Rebuilding
South
#1. Mount Ida 2 6 3 548 525 Stronger
#2. Thomas 4 4 0 521 528 Stronger
#3. Presque Isle 2 6 3 526 507 Stronger
#4. Farmington 4 2 5 526 475 Rebuilding
#5. Salem St. 0 4 0 489 495 Stronger/Young
#6. MMA 1 0 6 471 465 Stronger/Young
11/17/2007 11:53 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By mizzou77 on 11/18/2007

Now for a quick glance into season #24... we'll see how close everyone ends up to these predictions.
These are simply removing the seniors, adding a little for off-season, and adding freshmen to fill out the rosters. If you take a W/O or suck at recruiting... your results may vary
North
Sr. Jr. Schols. Rating Now #24 Prediction
#1. Johnson St. 5 4 3 543 508 Stronger
#2. Husson 2 2 5 551 505 Weaker
#3. Lasell 2 2 6 572 490 Much Weaker
#4. Becker 2 5 1 475 480 Stronger
#5. Castleton 4 2 6 529 455 Weaker
#6. Elms 1 0 6 522 450 Rebuilding
South
#1. Mount Ida 2 6 3 548 525 Stronger
#2. Thomas 4 4 0 521 528 Stronger
#3. Presque Isle 2 6 3 526 507 Stronger
#4. Farmington 4 2 5 526 475 Rebuilding
#5. Salem St. 0 4 0 489 495 Stronger/Young
#6. MMA 1 0 6 471 465 Stronger/Young
We in Beaverland like to think of it as reloading...not rebuilding. But to be on the side where 5 other teams are getting stronger, is going to make my job tough.
11/19/2007 9:59 AM
I think all 5 teams will be improved... their records may not reflect it but their rpi's should. On paper we should have 7 improved teams next season. with Lasell, Farmington, and Husson.... last seasons 3 best re-loading. Season #25 and beyond we should be a top 5 conference.
11/19/2007 10:33 AM
I've decided to bite the buillet and go all FR for recruiting. I usually land some guys that turn out pretty good even if they don't look too good at first. I'll be very thin and the lack of solid IQ will kill me if you get me to my bench, but we'll turn the corner the following season and be pretty good 2 seasons from now.
11/19/2007 11:30 AM
Ditto, Buddy... I have been thinking this over a bit and I believe I just didn't quite get where we would like to be the last 2 seasons. I can add a couple jucos and prolly be back in the battle for the North next season... but just can't get past the first or second round in the NT with that talent level. I believe the only way there, is to take my "licks" next season and try to add 3-4 true freshman studs to the mix. May set us back, but in the long run I think we'll get farther. I also believe the NAC is only gonna get better and I don't just want to remain competetive,,, I want to DOMINATE! LOL,,,I believe I'm gonna have to go this route to stay where I wanna B!
11/19/2007 3:46 PM
Based on last year's off season improvement and if Tucker comes back for his Sr year, My returning guys have have an average rating of 492. Of cousre, I expect Deloera to do better than the -5 "improvement" he had last off season. And losing Tucker would actually help the average. But there would be one more new comer to bring in.
11/20/2007 1:18 PM
Christopher ShadrickFr.PF31307612605028828255274F474
James TuttleFr.SF60472715741263727725354C466
Alan CoxFr.SF395334213142291721526750C+456
Michael LockhartFr.C363863569591614744622D433
Richard ChambersFr.PG4643221111296241757327D+431


My recruits this season, for the first time in about 4 seasons I'm actually pleased. I needed serious immediate help this year, since I gratuated my fab 5 (all were over 600 at end of season last year). Here's the rundown of my boys during this "rebuilding" year. Most people will notice my team is not weighing on DE that much anymore, because I'm moving out of a M2M this season and most likely to a Press. I feel the speed and ath required in a fastbreak offense compliment the press better. Also recruiting for DE at DIII is a pain.

Lockhart: He took the red shirt, didn't like the idea during recruiting, and it took two tries, but he took it. I see a huge future for this kid, I'm hoping the 74 WE will pay dividends in a couple seasons. With a 36/38 in Ath/Sp and a 63/69/59 in Reb/Blk/LP, I expect big things by his 5th season.

Shadrick: This kid has the highest rebounding (76) I've ever seen out of a freshman. And suprisingly enough, his other stats aren't bad either. 31/30 in Ath/Sp means that it will improve steadily, 60/50 in Blk/Lp are good enough, the 25 WE hurts a bit, but he'll get some immediate PT just to clean up the boards. A solid pick up, in my opinion.

Tuttle: I was really hurting for SF this year, and it seems like that position is always hardest for me to find talent in. I took two this season. Tuttle is going to alternate between SG/SF. His Ath/Sp are great @ 60/47, he's average everywhere else, again I'm hoping the 72 WE will give him some much needed improvement throughout the years.

Cox: A safety pick, the first guy I selected. Needed serious help at SF, I don't know if he will ever start, but he has no glaring weaknesses (ok maybe a lil low at BH). Again, I like the 52 WE.

Chambers: I needed a backup PG. My current PG is a 3rd year Sophmore this season so Chambers won't need major minutes anytime soon. This kid is a solid pick and with a 75 WE, by the time I need him he should be great ball handler.

Overall I'm happy with my recruits. Over the past seasons I've come to the conclusion that WE is a huge stat for a dynasty team. Lamkin was a stud out of high school, but I felt his low WE (currently 28) has held him back over the years. He was always declining during the offseason until this year, where he didn't move at all. I'm hoping the high WE out of this class will make them develop into monsters, and by their Junior and Senior seasons they should be a force to be reckoned with. Also I didn't use the RS option my first two years so I should really start to see the effects of a 5th year senior kick in throughout upcoming years.



11/28/2007 2:18 PM
NAC's "Elite Player's Club"
This is a type of Hall-of-Fame for the NAC.
I am open to suggestions for making the list.
#1. Even tho the overall rating means diddly... I feel there needs to be a minimum level to reach. I believe this level needs to be 700. I don't think our Hall-of-Fame should be full of average players in 3 or 4 years. It needs to be an honor to make the list.
#2. I believe the team should have a minimum level of success to go with the leadership and talent of a Hall-of-Famer. (sweet-16 or 2, or NT several times), Koffler is a prime example of a huge talent, that didn't lead his team to any NT success, simply because he was an awesome talent, isn't good enough for this club.
#3. I believe the player needs to be recruited by you and play for you until he graduates. (again, Koffler was Pit's recruit).
#4. I think the player needs to have minimum stat. levels to qualify... (10ppg etc). I don't believe the PG with 3.5 assists p/g, 7.5 ppg is truely a Hall-of-Famer, even if he never turned it over once his senior year AND you dated his mom!
#5. Needs to be a starter at least Jr and Sr years if not 3 or 4?
#6. We should vote as a conference to induct the player.... 75% minimum human vote to be inducted?
#7. other ideas????
700 may seem high, but this is the NAC Hall-of-Fame... not your your team HOF.
You may have the best player in Lasell (insert name) history... but is he one of the best to ever play in the NAC? He needs to be VERY special... some teams may not have the prestige to land a DII caliber player that ever makes it past 700. I am positive I can get one landed for any team in the league with a season or two of work, so can everyone else;
My reason for believing #1. = 700 rated is this.... we have 8 guys this season who will/can excede 650 rated. I will look at them and I think you'll agree these may be good players,,, but HOF caliber... probably not. 650 is very attainable. Alot of these guys are just good players.
11/29/2007 5:12 PM
The North division really doesn't look like it has many stars on the horizon for the next couple years.
Becker is young....
Castelton St is the same....
Elmo has Stevens. He will likely top out around 645. He is a nice player but not an "Elite" club member. With a RS year in there, and 3 other nice ball-players around him. He might have put up a double/double his Jr. and Sr. seasons and ended close to 700. He could have developed in the right situation into someone we would have voted on....(possibly).
Husson has Sheffer... he will finish near 650. He is just a decent player.. no HOF here. Now I do have 2 young-uns I think will develop into very nice players... HOF... who would know? They both have potential to finish above 700 rated. Will they be team leaders who put up great numbers and lead us to deep NT runs... I wouldn't have a clue... hope so ;)
Johnson St. has Recinos... he will finish about 650. He's a pretty nice player but his numbers are just too low from the Ralph-Years to give him a thought.
Lasell has Lamchops... the WE killed him, he doesn't even start every game... not HOF potential here... just a nice SG. Lasell has a very good class this season. Will one of them develop into a HOF... you never know.... a couple have the potential.
11/29/2007 10:19 PM
The South has several 650's and 2 legit 700 club possibilities.
MMA is young
Farmington has a couple classes to unload that KM didn't recruit until they have a Stud-Muffin to consider.
Mount Ida has Jesse D. Jesse's problem as I see it is he will have to gain entrance into the club as a defender. He is a very talented player, altho his lofty #'s are decieving. The 100 durability adds 30 or so to his 661, and would keep him far from the 700 level if it were a more common 60-70. Thus, his overall scoring and ball-handeling numbers are a little low for an "Elite Club" member probably.... he might be the first to come to a vote. He has a nice scoring average an is definitly a leader on this team. His career 38% from the floor though show that part of the lofty scoring comes from putting it up alot. He is also a bit of a liability at the line since he shoots below 60% there. I don't mean to pick on Damico... I would love him on my team.... however, He looks like one of our legit possibilities if he has a big season this year.
Thomas doesn't have a SR. however, Mueller will get close to 700 next season. His scoring is very low, however with 2 full season he might make a bang still.
Salem St. is young
Presque Isle has 3 guys. Friedman will get real close to 700 this season. Harris 675 and Yount 650. This team needs to make a real run into the post-season with this much talent on the floor. They all 3 have started every game of their 3 year careers. They are all scorers... they all shoot average at best and turn the ball over.... alot. However, it looks to me like they have been warming up for this year. If they make a nice run... we may be looking at Friedman as a possible canidate.
Peace ouutttt
11/29/2007 10:43 PM
Signs displaying the number 19 are popping up all over the Farmington campus as the student body wishes for a new single season win total.
Such talk is nice, but the team goals are less ambitious as 6 new players are worked into the team. Wells has been given the readshirt and should be ready to join Starns and Griffiths in the SG rotation next season. Starns is playing out of position this seaosn at the point due to youth and inexperience. While I fully expect Starns to do a great job, he and I both will be happy to get him back to his natural position.
There is much less optimism down low this season. There are two decent post players in Barnhardt and Rosendahl, but not much experience on the bench. We'll simply have to throw the pups out there and hope we did a good job in evaluating talent. Deloera gives us experience at the SF position and has already displayed his 3PT shooting touch.
Speaking of shooting touch, Sidney York returns for his SR season as Beaverland's version of the microwave. York really provides a spark off the bench and is the best perimeter shooter on the team.
All in all, a 12 win season should be in our grasp. The 19 will have to wait until next year when Beaver Madness returns.
11/30/2007 2:50 PM
As you said mizzou, Jessie Damico is a great player, but even I do not think he should be in the HOF unless we go onto an Elite 8 this year because the only other postseason sucess he enjoyed was freshman year. Although he started almost half the year. We really rolled when he was coming off the bench. He is just not a game-chaanger.
Steve Truex is another guy that might 700, but he can not stay on the floor long enough with his low stamina and again no postseason sucess yet hopefully.
11/30/2007 8:01 PM
mizzou, re: HOF requirements. 700 seems a bit high for a ratings floor. My NAC team in Crum conference has a guy who will graduate as a two time conference player of the year, two time conference defensive player of the year, 3rd team all-american, and the NAC all-time leader in blocks. His final overall rating was 655, so a guy who dominated a conference for 2 seasons and was the leader of the #2 team in the country his senior season would fall short of enshrinement.

I don't think I've ever coached a DIII player that was rated 700 or above. I think my former recruit Zeisler ended up reaching that, but I was gone before he played a game.

I think it needs to be more stat/accomplishment based than ratings based. Who cares if a guy is only rated 500 or 600 overall if he can put up the numbers and win the conference awards? What he does on the court is what will end up dictating where he truly stands among the conferences greats.

Of course, I'm just an interim coach in this fine upstanding conference, so take what I say as you will.
11/30/2007 9:37 PM
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