Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/20/2009Basically give every team the same HFA, one that results in the home team winning about 55% of the time.

Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/20/2009I think the big problem in this thread is that alot of people don't really believe that there is a real HFA in RL MLB, one that goes beyond tailoring a team to it's home park and getting last bats.

I find that level of ignorance a little shocking

Or is there just a very ignorant and vocal minority?

Real life MLB teams do not place that high a priority on tailoring teams to their ballpark. Not enough to result in the HFA that we see.

The facts are this:

HBD teams regularly have better records on the road than at home (13 out of 32 in my world, I welcome others to look at other worlds, I promise you no world comes close to replicating real life)

RL MLB teams almost never do (1 in the last 2 seasons)

RL MLB home winning % has been between 52% and 55% for 19 of the the last 20 years

http://cyrilmorong.com/HomeRoad.htm

This is not a fact but my hunch is that the HBD home winning % cannot be much more than 1% away from 50.

Because of these factors a team that works hard for HFA throughout the playoffs has it negated because it is a negligible advantage, if at all.


Please provide your sources.

Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/20/2009A generic HFA would be consistent with how HBD has handled other feature of this game.

In some ways they encourage parity so it doesn't become impossible to draw owners to perennial losers and trashed teams. The HFA couldn't be something in which better teams or cities accumulate a significant advantage.

Basically give every team the same HFA, one that results in the home team winning about 55% of the time.

That way the advantage is negated in the regular season (equal number of home/away) and really only comes into play in the postseason when one team has earned HF


Why bother simming the games if you're doing that?

Quote: Originally Posted By tecwrg on 7/21/2009
I like it. Every team goes 45-36 (.555) at home and 36-45 (.445) on the road. Players don't matter, owner's skill at the game doesn't matter, decisions don't matter.

Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 7/21/2009I like it.  Every team goes 45-36 (.555) at home and 36-45 (.445) on the road.  Players don't matter, owner's skill at the game doesn't matter, decisions don't matter.

Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/20/2009
Basically give every team the same HFA, one that results in the home team winning about 55% of the time.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/20/2009
Basically give every team the same HFA, one that results in the home team winning about 55% of the time.

The key here is "about" 55% of the time. Not exactly. So some teams will randomly win 56% of their home games, and others will win only 54%.

That will make those ugly tie-breakers a little easier to calculate at the end of the season.

Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 7/21/2009

Quote: Originally Posted By schuyler101 on 7/20/2009A generic HFA would be consistent with how HBD has handled other feature of this game.

In some ways they encourage parity so it doesn't become impossible to draw owners to perennial losers and trashed teams. The HFA couldn't be something in which better teams or cities accumulate a significant advantage.

Basically give every team the same HFA, one that results in the home team winning about 55% of the time.

That way the advantage is negated in the regular season (equal number of home/away) and really only comes into play in the postseason when one team has earned HFAWhy bother simming the games if you're doing that?

Quote: Originally posted by soxfan121 on 7/21/2009schuyler101, you make a good point.

I would counter by saying that any discernable HFA in RL is based on TRAVEL and not a straight "HFA".

Teams in MLB travel; night game goes extra innings, road team has to shower, change, board the bus, drive to the airport, get on a flight, fly, get off a flight, get back on the bus, check in to the hotel....all between the hours of 11PM and 4 AM. Human beings, as demonstrated by science, function best on a regular sleep schedule.

In HBD, there is no travel penalty. If there were, then you might be able to ID a HFA simply because the road team's plane was delayed because of bad weather at O'Hare.

Crowd effects are almost impossible to measure and quantify. I have no idea how to make that "real" and a part of the game. I can see a travel penalty that has an effect on fatigue...I would not support the incorporation of such a change, but I can see how it might work.

The problem with this thread is that it calls for "HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE" without bothering to break down what a HFA actually is, or how it works.

Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 7/21/2009That's not what you said:Basically give every team the same HFA, one that results in the home team winning about 55% of the time.