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Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009
It makes life a little more difficult but YGWYD.

I guess I don't understand why this has to be so draconian. You get what you deserve? It's an internet game. If a world can still provide WIS with a revenue stream (by rolling over relatively quickly) then they can remian private. If not, they go back to public. I don't understand the need for "punishment".
9/18/2009 7:40 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009What's the harm in letting any world that wants to go private do so
also i think its important that there remains some # of public worlds to make it easier for noobs to get started
9/18/2009 7:41 PM
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of public worlds that have no interest in going private. There are about half a dozen that have been open to the public for weeks.
9/18/2009 7:43 PM
i guess thats probably true...if a world has enough interest to go private its probably pretty strong to begin with
9/18/2009 7:45 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By cmthieme on 9/18/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009

It makes life a little more difficult but YGWYD.

I guess I don't understand why this has to be so draconian. You get what you deserve? It's an internet game. If a world can still provide WIS with a revenue stream (by rolling over relatively quickly) then they can remian private. If not, they go back to public. I don't understand the need for "punishment"


You're asking for a "privilege". There should be some risk in it so everyone just doesn't say "ME TOO!!" If it's a bit too risky for you, maybe you shouldn't do it.

There will be public worlds. Don't doubt this. WifS revenue stream won't be halted because your world has to post their password to fill.
9/18/2009 7:45 PM
way to get off topic.
9/18/2009 7:45 PM
No one cares about CS/ADMIN ********. Just bump one of the other 933 threads on the topic.
9/18/2009 7:46 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009



You're asking for a "privilege". There should be some risk in it so everyone just doesn't say "ME TOO!!" If it's a bit too risky for you, maybe you shouldn't do it.

There will be public worlds. Don't doubt this. WifS revenue stream won't be halted because your world has to post their password to fill.
I guess it doesn't really seem like a privilege/right or risk/reward situation to me. Just seems like a way to let some worlds that are stable stay that way by letting them try to continue as private.

I also don't see the difference between "post your password" and just marking the world as public again. Isn't the end result the same other than the public option making it a little easier to fill? I wouldn't think WIS would really care about punishing worlds so much as making it as easy as possible for them to continue generating revenue (if they couldn't do it satisfactorily as private worlds).

It's not really about my level of risk aversion. I just don't see the point of introducing "punishment" at all. Just seems like the only point that serves is for some people to say "I told you so", and I guess I just don't see much value in that.
9/18/2009 7:57 PM
I actually think it's kind of funny that you backtrack when your safety net is taken away.

"We're a strong world!!! We want to go private!!"
"Whoa. Hold on a sec. We'll have to STAY private? I don't know about all that."

9/18/2009 7:57 PM
As I said, there will be plenty of public options. Forcing those who think they're strong enough to be private to recruit will either keep them strong or they'll turn themselves in to private public worlds.

Of course, I don't think any current private world should be allowed to go public either.
9/18/2009 8:00 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009
I actually think it's kind of funny that you backtrack when your safety net is taken away.

"We're a strong world!!! We want to go private!!"
"Whoa. Hold on a sec. We'll have to STAY private? I don't know about all that."



wrong...cm and i are in the same public world and i can't speak for him, but even with your rule i'd love for our world to go private and i'm sure we'd have no problem filling every year
9/18/2009 8:01 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 9/18/2009
I actually think it's kind of funny that you backtrack when your safety net is taken away.

"We're a strong world!!! We want to go private!!"
"Whoa. Hold on a sec. We'll have to STAY private? I don't know about all that."



Well, I'm just trying to talk about the topic in general. I don't really give a much of a crap about the classification of the world I participate in right now to be honest. It will most likely not change much if it goes private or stays public. I'd prefer to go private, but with only a couple openings each season the odds of getting some stupid yahoo are slim anyway.

I just find the discussion interesting, especially when people get vindictive about worlds trying to "join the club".

9/18/2009 8:04 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By steelerstime on 9/18/2009

I'm not spiteful. I've never given it much consideration about public going private. I've certainly never tried to prove it by generating data that serves my interests and sending to customer support.

My point was there would be a reaction. And you've proven it. Under your criteria you think Mantle should be able to go private. When I suggest NO world goes private-you don't like it. Just like those owners that would also want to go from public to private would also react the same way if they were not allowed to.

That is the point. And your reaction to NO public world going private proves it.

And the poorly thought out formula-taking an entire history is better than picking a small sample of seasons. Why 5 seasons. Why not 7 or 10 or 3?

How about this. Rank the worlds based on the most money spent on WIS products by the owners(through all WIS sim-from simbaseball to clutch racing dynasty and HBD). The most loyal worlds, in terms of supporting WIS, get to decide if they want to remain public or private. That is the one thing WIS (and FOX) understands-money. Shouldn't the most loyal customers not get the best product available?

If you really don't care one way or the other, then why do you keep posting as if you do?

Does it really surprise you that my current efforts started with my asking ADMIN to let my world go private? Just like, according to ADMIN in one of their responses to my curent ticket, hundreds of other public world owners have asked for their worlds. Wouldn't it be pretty dumb of me to propose a system that excluded my world from consideration?

Back on the topic . . . as far as I can tell, your only objection to what I proposed is that my world benefits from it. Duh. So do others.

What I haven't heard from you is a well thought out counter argument to the criteria that I proposed. All you countered with is to factor in all previous seasons in a world instead of the most recent five. Here's the problem with that: going with that might hurt some public worlds that were a complete mess in the early days, with extremely high turnover. I recall some were as high as 15-20 per season in the early days. By going with "x" number of recent seasons, you're giving worlds a chance to have stabilized. I picked five because it's a nice round number. I could have picked 4, 7, or 8.625 I suppose. I chose 5.

And on your last suggestion . . . this is HBD. Why should somebody who has 50 seasons of SLB and maybe 2 seasons of HBD have more say on an HBD issue than somebody who has 35 seasons of HBD. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Just as if I decided to sign up for a season of CRD and decided that I should start making the rules over there.
9/18/2009 8:20 PM
I guess the public vs private debate is more important to people than how WIS deals with cheaters.
9/18/2009 8:31 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By jvford on 9/18/2009
I guess the public vs private debate is more important to people than how WIS deals with cheaters.
Give (public) worlds more rights (inherent of private worlds) to police themselves (by going private and being able to screen potential new owners) and the cheaters problem is mitigated.
9/18/2009 9:02 PM
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