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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 2/25/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 2/25/2010
Furry, I think you need to actually experience DI before you're qualified to dispense advice on it. Not trying to downplay your other accomplishments and you've come an extremely long way since the early days, but that's just the truth.
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Exactly dalt, and how is 'gaming the system' with a 10-0 ooc record and a 6-10 conf record going to get you into the NT
Seriously, I won 21 games in D1 in Tark last season and didn't even make the PIT. I wasn't in a BCS conference, and in fact was in 1 of the worst conferences but it just isn't that easy to make the NT in D1. I think anybody claiming rebuilding a team in D1 is anywhere near as easy as it is in D2 or D3 is out of their mind.
2/25/2010 2:00 PM
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Lost has a SOS of almost 200. He is 9-0 and sitting at a RPI of 26. As long as he went .500 his RPI isn't going to drop much because his conf is so strong. He'd end up with a 40ish RPI.


Pork is 7-2 with a SOS of 214. He will have a little harder time, but as long as he wins his games in conf midway threw he will be fine. I had the same thing happen at Alfred when I had a 290 SOS and 140 RPI by end of non conf. We ended up making it to the sweet 16 and didn't need to win our CT to make the NT because of how tough our conf was. Really, people didn't know about this?
2/25/2010 2:11 PM
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Without seeing these guys teams I would assume their teams are actually pretty good. For what its worth LM2 is doing the same thing in Tark and has a 35 RPI. But the difference between these situations and one that emy is talking about is these are established teams that are very good. No matter what schedule you put together it's not easy going 10-0 in D1 when you are rebuilding a team. It's even harder to win 6 games in a BCS conference with a team that you are rebuilding. It's not like what happened with the teams you rebuilt, it's pretty easy to build up D2 and D3 teams, it's nowhere near as easy to do in D1, especially in BCS conferences.
2/25/2010 2:19 PM
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And to answer the question about Auburn yeah I think they would. Watch how fast the SOS will drop. Win or lose vrs these type of teams and the RPI will start to fall. A win is a huge +20 point RPI drop, a loss is like a 1 or 2 point drop. Either way, the RPI will get lower.
2/25/2010 2:20 PM
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I've got an even better challenge for Brian. I'm at Wake Forest in Wooden, Brian is at Northern Arizona. I'm about 99% sure that the Virginia Tech coach is getting canned after this season. Brian would definitely qualify for that job. Transfer over to Virginia Tech and take over that train wreck. I'll give you ten seasons to do it. If you can win a national Title at Virginia Tech within ten seasons of taking over, I'll buy you THREE ten packs for your time and trouble. Hell, you can even let your mentor Furry run the team if you want. Ten seasons, one National Title. You guys claim it's so easy to rebuild a D1 team in a BCS conference, man up and put your money where your mouths are. You up for it?
2/25/2010 2:22 PM
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Any decent coach should be able to make the nt in any world at any level in 4 seasons period. regardless of conf, world, or starting prestige
2/25/2010 2:24 PM
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I'll be up in div I in a few seasons in iba. I tried to go to pitt, but got rejected because of my rep. In a few months I'll take over a bad BCS team and show you how easy it is to get the prestige up there just by making the NT 1-2 times.
2/25/2010 2:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By emy1013 on 2/25/2010I've got an even better challenge for Brian. I'm at Wake Forest in Wooden, Brian is at Northern Arizona. I'm about 99% sure that the Virginia Tech coach is getting canned after this season. Brian would definitely qualify for that job. Transfer over to Virginia Tech and take over that train wreck. I'll give you ten seasons to do it. If you can win a national Title at Virginia Tech within ten seasons of taking over, I'll buy you THREE ten packs for your time and trouble. Hell, you can even let your mentor Furry run the team if you want. Ten seasons, one National Title. You guys claim it's so easy to rebuild a D1 team in a BCS conference, man up and put your money where your mouths are. You up for it


Emy if I am qualified ill accept you challenge. BTW I never said it was easy to win a title but to make a contender. I may not win a title but I will have them in the nt allot I am sure of it.
2/25/2010 2:29 PM
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I dont want any crap on how I do it but the job will be done.

And ill be the one running the team unless im out of town but 90% of the time in around.
2/25/2010 2:30 PM
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Furry, when you take over a bad (I mean one that a Sim has had for a season or two) team in a BCS conference, do you actually realize how far behind everyone else you are? You're the conference whipping boy for at least a season, maybe two depending on how recruiting went. Regardless of what you think, it's just easier to rebuild a "title" contender at the lower levels. Any coach with any bit of credibilty will tell you that, and until you've ACTUALLY tried it, your theories, statements, and ideas on how to do it just don't hold much weight.

I'll give credit where credit is due, you're very good at taking D2/D3 teams and turning them into title contenders in a short period of time. But for the four thousandth time, it's not as easy to do in D1. It's just not. I know you want it to be, but sorry, it's just not.
2/25/2010 2:30 PM
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Va tech is also a different animal. They have the worst possible prestige for a BCS conf (I think), and are a ghost ship. They need 7 new guys next season. You could land 4 or so good players for 2 seasons in a row, but it'd take 3-4 seasons before you could be a 1 and done team. By then you'd still have an unbalanced class and would end up looking my caldwell team where you strugle again for a year or 2, then make 2 more runs. By then you are like 6-8 seasons into it but you are finally turned around. This gives you only 2 seasons of having a good team/good prestige for the shot at the NT. Winning a title is possible within 6 seasons and may not happen, but there is no reason this team can't make at least 5 post season bids in 10 seasons even though they are horrible set up future wise currently. They can easily be turned around and constantly a contender.
2/25/2010 2:31 PM
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Big 12, actually, but hey. The I'm not sure how you can compare what lost and porkpower did in Iba, they are both schools with A or better talent.

Either way, running a 10-0 easy NC only works for empty conferences, in terms of bolstering bad teams. Good teams can do it, but they also can back it up in conference. A bad BCS school (and trust me I know from experience) can have a stellar NC and decent RPI, but even 6 wins in conference isn't going to get you an rpi worthy of the NT, maybe not even the PT.

I just don't think you can adequately compare a D2 rebuild to a D1, there are just too many factors that make it more difficult. The recruiting pool alone makes a C or less rebuild so much more difficult.
2/25/2010 2:32 PM
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