Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 5/09/2010

Quote: Originally posted by ekswimmer on 5/09/2010

thats the same things Hughes is saying. The point he's trying to make is there is a higher probability a 7' player will have 90 rebounding than a 6'6" player because their height was taken into account when they were given the rebounding rating.

Yes, once the rating is given, they are the same player, though.

This also means all this talk of PGs with 90 rebounding and 70 SB will be extremely, extremely rare since the probability of a 5'11" player having these ratings will be very very low. (In theory)

Not only that .. but if a 7 ft guy got higher ratings because of it, and if you now also make other adjustments, now the effect is being doubled up.

People seem to think that height is every thing, so let me put this in perspective another way.

Yao Ming is 7-6, 310 while Amar'e Stoudemire is 6-10, 249. Who is the better big man? There is an 8" height difference, but I think Stoudemire dominates this matchup. I think that Dwight Howard, at 6-11. 265 would also dominate Yao Ming.

Now if we say 7-8 inches is not that big a deal in those matchups, then 6-5 (that is 7 inches shorter than 7 foot for those with bad math :D) should also not be a huge deal either against a 6-11 or 7-0 guy.


Your talking about Big Men, but if what I read is correct in that you will have Guards that are very good at rebounding and low post, what will suffer?? Their core ratings in passing & ball handling correct? Unless all recruits will be generated with a higher floor rating.

But if you are to talk about Guards, you would never see a 6'0 guard out rebound 7'-6" Yao Ming every time, its just not realistic, yea it may happen once in awhile, but not as often as you would think.

Yea 4" here and there isn't that big of a deal when your talking 7'-0" & 6'-8" if all their ratings are the same, essentially they are the same player. But when you talk about a 7'-0" Center and a 6'-1" Guard and lets say they both start out at 50 in Rebounding, who would be the better rebounder?

There should be a penalty for the positions, and if they are trying to make this more realistic and enjoyable I just hope they do.

Quote: Originally Posted By shagnew1983 on 5/10/2010

Your talking about Big Men, but if what I read is correct in that you will have Guards that are very good at rebounding and low post, what will suffer?? Their core ratings in passing & ball handling correct? Unless all recruits will be generated with a higher floor rating.

But if you are to talk about Guards, you would never see a 6'0 guard out rebound 7'-6" Yao Ming every time, its just not realistic, yea it may happen once in awhile, but not as often as you would think.

Yea 4" here and there isn't that big of a deal when your talking 7'-0" & 6'-8" if all their ratings are the same, essentially they are the same player. But when you talk about a 7'-0" Center and a 6'-1" Guard and lets say they both start out at 50 in Rebounding, who would be the better rebounder?

There should be a penalty for the positions, and if they are trying to make this more realistic and enjoyable I just hope they do.

Quote: Originally Posted By reinsel on 5/11/2010
I don't know shag. Imagine Kobe in his prime vs. a 7'0" slow white D3 player (both have about a 40 rebounding ability)

You don't think Kobe can hold his own on the boards despite the big height disadvantage?

Quote: Originally Posted By dahsdebater on 5/11/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By shagnew1983 on 5/10/2010

Your talking about Big Men, but if what I read is correct in that you will have Guards that are very good at rebounding and low post, what will suffer?? Their core ratings in passing & ball handling correct? Unless all recruits will be generated with a higher floor rating.

But if you are to talk about Guards, you would never see a 6'0 guard out rebound 7'-6" Yao Ming every time, its just not realistic, yea it may happen once in awhile, but not as often as you would think.

Yea 4" here and there isn't that big of a deal when your talking 7'-0" & 6'-8" if all their ratings are the same, essentially they are the same player. But when you talk about a 7'-0" Center and a 6'-1" Guard and lets say they both start out at 50 in Rebounding, who would be the better rebounder?

There should be a penalty for the positions, and if they are trying to make this more realistic and enjoyable I just hope they do.

Maybe I'm just stupid and naive. After all, I am new to this game. But I think if I saw 2 guys with equal rebounding ratings I would expect them to be basically equivalent rebounders (depending on their athleticism)

Quote: Originally Posted By shagnew1983 on 5/10/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By hughesjr on 5/09/2010

Quote: Originally posted by ekswimmer on 5/09/2010

thats the same things Hughes is saying. The point he's trying to make is there is a higher probability a 7' player will have 90 rebounding than a 6'6" player because their height was taken into account when they were given the rebounding rating.

Yes, once the rating is given, they are the same player, though.

This also means all this talk of PGs with 90 rebounding and 70 SB will be extremely, extremely rare since the probability of a 5'11" player having these ratings will be very very low. (In theory)

Not only that .. but if a 7 ft guy got higher ratings because of it, and if you now also make other adjustments, now the effect is being doubled up.

People seem to think that height is every thing, so let me put this in perspective another way.

Yao Ming is 7-6, 310 while Amar'e Stoudemire is 6-10, 249. Who is the better big man? There is an 8" height difference, but I think Stoudemire dominates this matchup. I think that Dwight Howard, at 6-11. 265 would also dominate Yao Ming.

Now if we say 7-8 inches is not that big a deal in those matchups, then 6-5 (that is 7 inches shorter than 7 foot for those with bad math :D) should also not be a huge deal either against a 6-11 or 7-0 guy.


Your talking about Big Men, but if what I read is correct in that you will have Guards that are very good at rebounding and low post, what will suffer?? Their core ratings in passing & ball handling correct? Unless all recruits will be generated with a higher floor rating.

But if you are to talk about Guards, you would never see a 6'0 guard out rebound 7'-6" Yao Ming every time, its just not realistic, yea it may happen once in awhile, but not as often as you would think.

Yea 4" here and there isn't that big of a deal when your talking 7'-0" & 6'-8" if all their ratings are the same, essentially they are the same player. But when you talk about a 7'-0" Center and a 6'-1" Guard and lets say they both start out at 50 in Rebounding, who would be the better rebounder?

There should be a penalty for the positions, and if they are trying to make this more realistic and enjoyable I just hope they do.

Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/11/2010But as many people have said, the Rondos are few and far between. Same in HD. People are acting like it's commonplace for guards to be dominating big men on the glass. Doesn't really happen, so I can't fathom what people are getting worked up about.