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Vandy, do those principles and attempts to keep it like rl not include coaching 2 teams in the same d1 world under different aliases?
5/28/2010 11:39 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By nbstowman on 5/28/2010Vandy, do those principles and attempts to keep it like rl not include coaching 2 teams in the same d1 world under different aliases


Okay.....ouch!


5/28/2010 11:42 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by sully712 on 5/27/2010While the press may have had some advantages, it is not fair to make a huge change to how it works without giving a heads up or an option to change defenses.  Not only is the press not magic, it seems impossible to run.  My Georgetown team has 9 returning players and pretty good IQs.  We can't run the press for sh*t.  If you are going to make a huge change you need to give some warning or allow teams a chance to change.  We spent several season changing our D and now it is worthless.I am not saying the change is not good for the overall game but it is crappy how it was implemented.

why is it unfair? Making the game more realistic is a good thing. a basketball simulation that says every good team runs a full court press for 40 minutes is dumb
5/28/2010 11:49 PM
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yes psuarva....exactly
5/29/2010 6:30 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by emy1013 on 5/28/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By nbstowman on 5/28/2010Vandy, do those principles and attempts to keep it like rl not include coaching 2 teams in the same d1 world under different aliases?Okay.....ouch!
  

I second the above. His principles are obviously relative. He preaches about cheating with the FCP and then does what I consider to be cheating with 2 IDs. You can't have it both ways, dude.
5/29/2010 7:27 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By cthomas22255 on 5/29/2010

Quote: Originally posted by emy1013 on 5/28/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By nbstowman on 5/28/2010
Vandy, do those principles and attempts to keep it like rl not include coaching 2 teams in the same d1 world under different aliases?



Okay.....ouch!




I second the above. His principles are obviously relative. He preaches about cheating with the FCP and then does what I consider to be cheating with 2 IDs. You can't have it both ways, dude.
my principles are relative? i have painfully obvious usernames revealing both are me. i have never once been accused by wis or any wis user of any shenanigans, cheating, or violations of fair play of any kind. the previous admin literally once told me in a message it was fine to have two teams in a world in the same division, but not in the same conference, so i once was asked to move a team from one conference to another (all before FSS).

i never said FCP was cheating, i said it was an unrealistic glitch in the engine.

if you have an issue that wis agrees is a violation please send something to wis and i will gladly drop a team. but i'll then insist that every single user still doing this is required to do the same.
5/29/2010 9:33 AM
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So, how do you justify your rants about the unrealism of the press but don't think you coaching 2 teams in the same world under 2 names isn't unrealistic?
Admin also told us all it was okay to run the press. So, just because admin tells you something is okay doesn't, in your logic, always make it right or else you'd have had no qualms with coaches running the press.

Just answer the question.
5/29/2010 10:02 AM
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Quote: Originally posted by cthomas22255 on 5/29/2010
Just answer the question.

Wow, you must be a terrible poker player.
5/29/2010 10:13 AM
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Speaking of poker (money), my grandfather told me once that, "There's two kinds of people in this world, so save your money". Still haven't figured that one out yet.......
5/29/2010 10:21 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By cthomas22255 on 5/29/2010
So, how do you justify your rants about the unrealism of the press but don't think you coaching 2 teams in the same world under 2 names isn't unrealistic?
Admin also told us all it was okay to run the press. So, just because admin tells you something is okay doesn't, in your logic, always make it right or else you'd have had no qualms with coaches running the press.

Just answer the question.
so now you've backed down from the cheating comparison you made, which was obviously both inaccurate from what i was saying as well as a ludicrous analogy.

one has to do with the sim engine, that what was being produced by the engine was nowhere close to actual real life performance and results, one is how wis has chosen to structure the game which has nothing to do with the sim engine and which is working as intended and desired. there are dozens of ways wis has set up the game which do not mirror real life, but the performance of the sim engine producing statistical results for games is intended to mirror real life. i mean d3 schools dont actually give sports based scholarships, does that mean i should quit offering scholarships at the d3 schools i coach? in real life recruiting doesnt happen in 3 hour cycles, should i quit recruiting?
5/29/2010 10:35 AM
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But WIS also "chose" to structure the engine to produce results "nowhere close to actual real life performance and results."
They chose to design the press to where it trapped the ball at every point. It's just another example of something that doesn't mirror real life in the game, which you point out several other examples of.

So, why do you take issue with the unrealistic engine that WIS designed and not with the unrealistic structure of the rest of the game that they designed? Taking your statements about the press at face value, you really ought to be boycotting all aspects of HD that are unrealistic.

You think (rightly) that running the press could give teams an unfair advantage the way HD chose to design it. But, using 2 accounts in one world gives you other advantages (doubling on FSS, doubleteaming recruits, etc.). Both of which are clear advantages that HD chose to give us the option of using. So, why is one wrong in your eyes (using the press) and the other not (having 2 accounts)?
5/29/2010 10:50 AM
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thats where you are wrong, unfortunately pretty much any vet will tell you that while TK was a good guy, he didn't really seem to understand how the HD engine worked, which is rather remarkable, and why it had to be completely redesigned.

and i say again, if you feel that i am guilty of wrongdoing with multiple accounts (which wis allows as the stucture of the game, which we both agree the structure, (not the 40 minute gameplay, the structure) isn't intended to imitate real life), please send a ticket with your accusations.
5/29/2010 11:16 AM
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You claim that the press in hd is "clearly a mockery of real basketball", but you think its cool to have 2 teams in the same world. How is this at all like real basketball? I never came out and accused anyone of cheating, but its obvious how easy it would be for a team with schools to do so. Without mentioning the obvious ways I've seen others use, especially when freehd was around, an "unprovable" way of cheating is to save a few thousand dollars scouting states. I seriously doubt that all coaches with multiple ids in the same world spend the extra money to scout the same state with both (or all) of their teams. Anyone who has played this game knows that a couple of thousand dollars saved can make the difference between landing a 5 star recruit losing out on him.

In addition, Vandy, although your ids may be well known, how many coaches are out there with "unknown" aliases taking advantage of more blatant ways to use 2 ids to their advantage?

If you want to stand on a soapbox and preach, make sure there aren't any pot and kettle idioms which might be applied to you.
5/29/2010 11:18 AM
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if you have an issue send a ticket, if wis chooses to change their stance i of course will follow wis guidelines and requirements.

the old admin even celebrated with me when i beat myself in a NT title game in d3 years ago.

i have never once cheated. period. there is no pot and kettle.
5/29/2010 11:22 AM
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I don't have an issue with you, simply the fact that in real life no coach would ever coach 2 teams at once, and certainly not in the same division. WIS will never change its stance on this as its more money for them, but it does give others the opportunity to cheat, and I have seen others do it.

If you feel running the press was cheating, good for you for making a stand on it. However, I personally feel that the 2 id/same world issue is a problem that some use to their unfair advantage.
5/29/2010 11:29 AM
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