Superconferences Topic

NT Elite Eight: six ACC schools, two from the Pac 10.  PIT: two low-DI teams playing for the right to face a Big Ten school in the final.
8/4/2011 10:17 AM
I said this somewhere on the coaches corner, but it must be pretty awesome to be able to coach a school to losing seasons in 10 of 12 years and never have one's prestige drop below a B. 
8/4/2011 10:47 AM
Posted by jslotman on 8/4/2011 10:47:00 AM (view original):
I said this somewhere on the coaches corner, but it must be pretty awesome to be able to coach a school to losing seasons in 10 of 12 years and never have one's prestige drop below a B. 
the system is what it is - and they show no signs of changing it - so find a way to get yourself to a BCS school if that's important to you...

ETA: There are 720 of them over all worlds after all...

8/4/2011 11:00 AM
Posted by dacj501 on 8/4/2011 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jslotman on 8/4/2011 10:47:00 AM (view original):
I said this somewhere on the coaches corner, but it must be pretty awesome to be able to coach a school to losing seasons in 10 of 12 years and never have one's prestige drop below a B. 
the system is what it is - and they show no signs of changing it - so find a way to get yourself to a BCS school if that's important to you...

ETA: There are 720 of them over all worlds after all...

Not that hard to click on my name and figure out that I AM THE COACH OF A BCS SCHOOL.  With an A+ prestige at the moment (though my A+ HCA will surely slip to B+ or so after the season.  HCA is the only thing going in HD that makes prestige look rational by comparison). 
8/4/2011 11:04 AM
Posted by jslotman on 8/4/2011 11:04:00 AM (view original):
Posted by dacj501 on 8/4/2011 11:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by jslotman on 8/4/2011 10:47:00 AM (view original):
I said this somewhere on the coaches corner, but it must be pretty awesome to be able to coach a school to losing seasons in 10 of 12 years and never have one's prestige drop below a B. 
the system is what it is - and they show no signs of changing it - so find a way to get yourself to a BCS school if that's important to you...

ETA: There are 720 of them over all worlds after all...

Not that hard to click on my name and figure out that I AM THE COACH OF A BCS SCHOOL.  With an A+ prestige at the moment (though my A+ HCA will surely slip to B+ or so after the season.  HCA is the only thing going in HD that makes prestige look rational by comparison). 
bully for you then, where's the beef?

ETA: I didn't bother clicking your name to see where you coach, because IDGAF

8/4/2011 11:52 AM
You must GAF if you bothered to take the time to post......
8/4/2011 1:15 PM
Posted by dcy0827 on 8/4/2011 1:15:00 PM (view original):
You must GAF if you bothered to take the time to post......
enough to post, not enough to look
8/4/2011 2:33 PM
Posted by drsnell on 7/17/2011 2:19:00 AM (view original):
Wooden holds its championship game tonight and for the 16th straight season the national champion is going to be from either the Big 12 or the Big East.  In those sixteen seasons only 4 schools from other conferences have even played for the national title.

This season the Big 12/Big East have combined to earn almost 44% of the National Tournament money.  That's 7 percent of the teams earning 44% of the money.  It's essentially like this every season, with these two conferences getting the lion's share (or the whole pride's share) of tournament money, then getting the best recruits, then dominating the tournament again the next year.  Rinse, repeat.

I'm in one other world, Smith, and in that world the SEC is the Superconference.  Now, there is no other monster conference in that world, so despite the fact that the SEC dominates in Conference RPI every year and brings in an astounding haul in tournament money every year, they just don't have enough members to take every single great recruit, and so other schools are able to find success.  Still, the pattern is consistent with what's happening in Smith.

It seems to me that when the recruit generation changed, that the conferences who were currently on top were able to use that advantage to create a stranglehold on D1 -- one that seems almost impossible to break. 

I can only see Wooden and Smith.  Is this true in other worlds?  

Some time ago I did a little research and from the time a world "matured" (which is to say that humans had controlled all the A+ baseline programs for at least a few years) to the time that the new prospect generation was instituted, 15% of teams that battled for the national title where from non-BCS conferences in Wooden and Smith.  Now, one might argue that number is too high, but I'll argue that 0% is definitely too low.  First, it's not realistic.  We've had 3 mid-major teams make the Final Four in the last 2 seasons in the NCAA.  Can any mid-major make a Final Four in HD anymore?  It sure seems impossible in Smith and Wooden.  And that's the 2nd reason why 0% is too low a number for non-BCS schools.  It's driving coaches away from the game.

I'd say that if recruit generation does not change, that I could make a list of 30 schools in Wooden that have a chance to win the national championship in the next 10 seasons.  The rest do not.  Perhaps I am too conservative, 30 may be too many.  The rest are just cannon fodder.  No wonder D1 is becoming a vast wasteland -- it's not fun to know that you have no chance to win.  And that's the real reason this is a problem -- it's costing WIS money.

We can argue back and forth about what the game should be like, but in the final analysis, the game that attracts the most players -- and makes the most money -- should be WIS's goal.  Right now the elitist nature of the current game is driving coaches away, and the maddening thing to me is, it's happening precisely at the time when the real life game couldn't be more populist. 

What If Sports:  What if Butler, Virginia Commenwealth or George Mason were able to make the Final Four?  Oh yeah, they really are able to make the Final Four -- just not in this game.

I really enjoy this game.  I like a lot about the new(ish) engine.  But I can't believe this major issue has not been corrected.


I will say, conference wins which drop your RPI more than 10 points are pretty ridiculous, especially when there can be 6-8 games like that in a lower D-1 division conference.  Not realistic, nor enticing to stay in the lower conference.
8/5/2011 7:31 PM
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