So far, after 21 ABs, Buck is hitting .167 with no HRs. lol 

Posted by mixtroy on 10/11/2011 6:57:00 PM (view original):

An example of how I use the WW is a move I very recently made.  I'm in an OL and playing in Cleveland Stadium which is a +1 singles and +1 HR park. 40 games into the season, my team is next to last in offense, barely playing .500 ball and is in second place behind Mr. Ligapelota.  Now, I'm not about to let Ligapelota get too far ahead of me before I do something to boost my offense.  What I did was dump my underperforming $5.9mil A+ range CF 1939 Mike Kreevich in exchange for 1899 Buck Freeman and saved $400K.  Sure, I will miss Kreevich's defense, and I know I'll get a ton of minus plays from Freeman.  But I'm looking for offense at this point, and I believe Freeman's HRs and hitting at Cleveland Stadium will more than make up for his minus plays.  Plus I have another outfielder who can play CF. This is the kind of moves I make.  Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't.  But I get more hits than misses when I dump a player for another one.

I've been reading this thread with an odd fascination... not really sure what to say and thinking that several owners have put in more eloquently than I would have. But this, though, is, imo, a perfect example of the contrary. Why not just draft Freeman to begin with? I certainly would've drafted him before Kreevich for a team in Cleveland. I can see how this would be considered an upgrade, but I would hardly call this a slick WW move.

In a current OL, 30 games in and playing in Coors, I had the 1895 Jack Clements (# splits: .374/.428/.603 and PH average of: .353/.400/.563) hitting .225/.247/.348 after 85 AB. Now, 130 AB later, he's hitting .344/.403/.526 on the season for a .415/.487/.631 run since that point. I was in the middle of scouring the WW for a RP or a a 1.6m upgrade to my $6m 350 IP pitcher, but was tempted to drop Clements for a '64 Roseboro that was on the WW, as that would free up even more cash for me to upgrade the pitcher (plus, I got a great AAA C). I didn't waive Clements, but that was only because I reminded myself the reasons I drafted Clements in the first place; and that 30 games and 88 PA were a small sample size and that he should even out over the course of the season. I took advantage of my good AAA score and waived my platoon mate of Clements and my crappy pitcher (who I knew would be crappy, but he was turning in any even crappier performance than expected: 8 starts, with between 5 and 6 innings and exactly 8 runs allowed in each start, except his final one, in which he allowed 7 runs in 5.2 IP) and I got a hold of the '06 Cy Young. So far so good on picking up Young and keeping Clements. Mostly because Young was a pitcher I couldn't have afforded when drafting my team to begin with, but the money freed from dropping my scrubs and my platoon partner allowed me to upgrade my weakest position.

I think this is also exemplified by crimson's last few posts, as well. In looking at some of the WW moves made and the timing of such... I mean he's only giving some players 2-3 games before dropping them for someone else... It seems there is no thought at all to the underlying statistics or in looking at the sample size he's allowing his players to have.  Why take someone on the WW if they weren't who you would have drafted to begin with if you could have afforded him to begin with? 

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Obviously he picks just the right guys off the wire, how else to you explain his ability to win 76 games (sometime more!)?

Golly, thinking about it, I mean how many games could I win if I learned the mystic art of the WW? What was once a 100 win team could turn into a 130 win superjuggernaut without those slumpers dragging me down!!

You're hilarious.  "Most people" think you're adding meaningless, irrelevant and myth-based things to the discussion on WW use.  "Most people" may be wrong, but your assumptions about "most people" assuredly are.

Your initial set of players was bad.   You improved them using the WW.   You $70 team was better than the $80 team you started with.

Good job.

What's the point?

I'm with llama - just about nobody sees zubinsum as "attention seeking."  He's one of the best active owners right now.  You, on the other hand, got a little hot and a lot lucky and now think you're hot sh*t.  Win a title in something other than an OL and we'll talk.

I can't think of any clever mystifying attacks right now, but please insert one on my behalf!

Posted by just4me on 10/12/2011 1:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by mixtroy on 10/11/2011 6:57:00 PM (view original):

An example of how I use the WW is a move I very recently made.  I'm in an OL and playing in Cleveland Stadium which is a +1 singles and +1 HR park. 40 games into the season, my team is next to last in offense, barely playing .500 ball and is in second place behind Mr. Ligapelota.  Now, I'm not about to let Ligapelota get too far ahead of me before I do something to boost my offense.  What I did was dump my underperforming $5.9mil A+ range CF 1939 Mike Kreevich in exchange for 1899 Buck Freeman and saved $400K.  Sure, I will miss Kreevich's defense, and I know I'll get a ton of minus plays from Freeman.  But I'm looking for offense at this point, and I believe Freeman's HRs and hitting at Cleveland Stadium will more than make up for his minus plays.  Plus I have another outfielder who can play CF. This is the kind of moves I make.  Sometimes they work out and sometimes they don't.  But I get more hits than misses when I dump a player for another one.

I've been reading this thread with an odd fascination... not really sure what to say and thinking that several owners have put in more eloquently than I would have. But this, though, is, imo, a perfect example of the contrary. Why not just draft Freeman to begin with? I certainly would've drafted him before Kreevich for a team in Cleveland. I can see how this would be considered an upgrade, but I would hardly call this a slick WW move.

In a current OL, 30 games in and playing in Coors, I had the 1895 Jack Clements (# splits: .374/.428/.603 and PH average of: .353/.400/.563) hitting .225/.247/.348 after 85 AB. Now, 130 AB later, he's hitting .344/.403/.526 on the season for a .415/.487/.631 run since that point. I was in the middle of scouring the WW for a RP or a a 1.6m upgrade to my $6m 350 IP pitcher, but was tempted to drop Clements for a '64 Roseboro that was on the WW, as that would free up even more cash for me to upgrade the pitcher (plus, I got a great AAA C). I didn't waive Clements, but that was only because I reminded myself the reasons I drafted Clements in the first place; and that 30 games and 88 PA were a small sample size and that he should even out over the course of the season. I took advantage of my good AAA score and waived my platoon mate of Clements and my crappy pitcher (who I knew would be crappy, but he was turning in any even crappier performance than expected: 8 starts, with between 5 and 6 innings and exactly 8 runs allowed in each start, except his final one, in which he allowed 7 runs in 5.2 IP) and I got a hold of the '06 Cy Young. So far so good on picking up Young and keeping Clements. Mostly because Young was a pitcher I couldn't have afforded when drafting my team to begin with, but the money freed from dropping my scrubs and my platoon partner allowed me to upgrade my weakest position.

I think this is also exemplified by crimson's last few posts, as well. In looking at some of the WW moves made and the timing of such... I mean he's only giving some players 2-3 games before dropping them for someone else... It seems there is no thought at all to the underlying statistics or in looking at the sample size he's allowing his players to have.  Why take someone on the WW if they weren't who you would have drafted to begin with if you could have afforded him to begin with? 

To respond to the question posed by Just4me, in regard to why I didn't just draft Buck Freeman initially, over Mike Kreevich, the answer is twofold: (1) when I drafted the team, I wanted to build a team consisting of hardly used players and see if I could still win and drafted guys like Ed Swartwood, Mike Kreevich, Count Campau, Terry Turner, Art Fletcher, Bobby Bragan and Bob Johnson (Freeman certainly did not qualify as a "hardly used" player) and (2) since my starting pitchers consisted of 88 Ben Sanders, 04 Jake Weimer and 07 Tully Sparks - pitchers who will give up hits - I wanted to be very strong up the middle (something I generally could care less about) and have a SS (Fletcher), 2B (Turner) and CF (Kreevich) with great range to hopefully take away a lot of the hits that I knew my pitchers would give up. But since the team was struggling to score runs (next to last in offense), and since I'm in a div with Ligapelota and not the type to sit back and hope for a turnaround, I sacrificed some defense for offense - something I badly needed.  I never said anything about my move being a "slick" move. I was just pointing out an example of how I use the WW.  I use it to UPGRADE something I need. I never dump a player for the sake of dumping him, and I ALWAYS get back something I need.  And so far, that strategy has worked pretty well for me.