I believe that everyone can earn enough to not be in poverty. Yes, it's true that if you work 60 hours/week at a minimum wage, you're still going to be poor, but as I showed Tang, community colleges and vocational schools are very affordable. They are free in most states for people who give effort in HS. If you do not take that opportunity, that is on you and you should not be bailed out by the government because you wasted an opportunity.

Social welfare programs should be reserved for those are those are truly physically or mentally incapable of working. If a person is healthy, they do not deserve assistance from the government.

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#1) Gov't handouts
#2) Only form of recreation they can afford
#3) Cannot afford contraception
#4) Lack of education
#5) In middle class families many times both parents work and when not they want to give their kids the best and having more kids makes it difficult. So they stop at 2 or 3 to ensure that the kids can do all the sports, fun vacations and they can pay for their schooling. The poor don't necessarily see it that way. More kids = more government support.


Proof is on Google. Multiple sites. It is financially not finantially. I am not sure how babies can be good at anything.

#1) Uhh but as we have established, having babies is not good for one's financial stability.
#4) Correct.
#5) You don't think poor people want the best for their kids? Do more kids = better finances?

Prove it to me yourself. I looked it up. I found nothing. Make your own arguments.

#1) More kids = more welfare. Google "Welfare moms"
#4) I know
#5) "Best" is different. Middle class want college and maybe grad school, expensive vacations "Disney". Can't do it if you have more than three kids unless you are a 1%er or close to it. The poor just want them fed and clothed. Apples and oranges. But #4 is the main reason.

#1) OK, so more kids = better financials. Do you want to wager on whether families with more kids are better off?
#5) Well, yeah. That's called survival mode. It's really, really hard to think future when you can't provide for your kids.

Damn you're dumb. Google Sebastian Telfair and see how many brothers he has.

Google said 1.

Maybe its Marbury. They are cousins. Anyway in NYC they had a gazillion kids because each kid meant more Govt $$$$

How did that work out? Is he thankful for that?

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Many "poor" people have 8-10 extra hours every day they need to fill. Also, some of those same people have more children so they get more "assistance" handouts from people like YOU. Explained clear enough for your naive mind?

You may need to repeat it 100 more times.

Keep doing it. While you are at it, talk to some people in poverty. Maybe what they say will surprise you.

They are in poverty because they are bad with money.

No, they are in poverty because they don't have much money. Actually, there are some who are in poverty because they are bad wityh money, but not every poor person is the same.

Do you know any rich people who are bad with money? If so they don't stay rich. See pro athletes.

Poor people are poor for a long period of time because they are bad with $$

You hire people to do money for you.

Posted by strikeout26 on 5/4/2018 3:46:00 PM (view original):
I believe that everyone can earn enough to not be in poverty. Yes, it's true that if you work 60 hours/week at a minimum wage, you're still going to be poor, but as I showed Tang, community colleges and vocational schools are very affordable. They are free in most states for people who give effort in HS. If you do not take that opportunity, that is on you and you should not be bailed out by the government because you wasted an opportunity.

Social welfare programs should be reserved for those are those are truly physically or mentally incapable of working. If a person is healthy, they do not deserve assistance from the government.

I just think that, while some people fail to take their opportunity, for some it is a matter of circumstance.

And we agree. Everyone has opportunity. Where we differ is on the part of equal opportunity. Trump can afford to make a bunch of financial mistakes. He's rich. If you are poor, one mistake means you 'didn't take your opportunity'.

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I believe that everyone can earn enough to not be in poverty. Yes, it's true that if you work 60 hours/week at a minimum wage, you're still going to be poor, but as I showed Tang, community colleges and vocational schools are very affordable. They are free in most states for people who give effort in HS. If you do not take that opportunity, that is on you and you should not be bailed out by the government because you wasted an opportunity.

Social welfare programs should be reserved for those are those are truly physically or mentally incapable of working. If a person is healthy, they do not deserve assistance from the government.

I just think that, while some people fail to take their opportunity, for some it is a matter of circumstance.

And we agree. Everyone has opportunity. Where we differ is on the part of equal opportunity. Trump can afford to make a bunch of financial mistakes. He's rich. If you are poor, one mistake means you 'didn't take your opportunity'.

That is true, but that's life. Tang can't change that and the government can't change that. It is that way in every walk of life.

I played with a guy who signed for $7.6M in the MLB draft. He served 2 fifty game suspensions for marijuana and hit about .260 in the minors. He is now in the big leagues. He was given a bunch of chances to make mistakes. I played with another guy who signed for $3,000. He put up decent numbers in the minors. He is now coaching HS kids. Is it fair that they weren't given equal opportunity? They were both given an opportunity. Life is the same way. When you get an opportunity, you can't miss it.

I'm pretty sure it was Marshall Faulk who said "never come out of the huddle, because you may not go back in."

Well, yeah. What we can do is equalize opportunity to the best of our abilities. Give everyone a good, fair shot at succeeding.

People make mistakes sometimes. I would wager that the guy who hit .260 had more 'potential.' The guy who played well was scrappy but never got a chance. That sucks. It isn't fair. But that's baseball, not education. Baseball in the majors isn't a right. Equal education is in my mind.

I've shown you that everyone does have an opportunity to an education. It's up them whether they take it or not. Can everyone afford MIT? Of course not. But everyone can afford a college education.

You have it stuck so deep in your mind that the system is unfair that you can't listen when someone proves you wrong.

And once again, you didn't answer my question as to what makes education a right.

Equal education is a right because it is the best way out of poverty. The higher the education level, the better your financials. You cannot be too poor to get an education.

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I've shown you that everyone does have an opportunity to an education. It's up them whether they take it or not. Can everyone afford MIT? Of course not. But everyone can afford a college education.

Right, just spend a year's earnings on a college scholarship. I don't buy the math there.

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I've shown you that everyone does have an opportunity to an education. It's up them whether they take it or not. Can everyone afford MIT? Of course not. But everyone can afford a college education.

Right, just spend a year's earnings on a college scholarship. I don't buy the math there.

I try hard to defend you, but you say some really dumb stuff. The average community college costs $3,300. That is nowhere near a years salary.

7 dollars per hour. Times 47 hours per week. Times 52 weeks per year.

17,108 dollars per year.

Your post still makes no sense. We're talking about the fact that college is already free for the poor. How are they spending a years salary on something that's free?