IF it's a Jewish State then I've gotta conclude other "belief" structures are "minorities", no? I admit I'm ignorant as to the verbiage of the Israeli Constitution but I do know OURS and ours has specific language to try and prohibit a "National" religion. Thus, legally, we are NOT a Christian Nation. We've eliminated that argument from our system legally......... no more fights over WHO is Christian and who ain't. (Ask any Mormon!).

Do they have legal Constitutional protections for the Hare Krishna(s) (or whoever) in Israel?
And IF they do, it's NOT a Jewish State.

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Posted by laramiebob on 4/28/2021 9:13:00 AM (view original):
Tell you what, Dino. The IDEA of a religious STATE/Country wherein everybody was expected to embrace a certain religion scares the bejesus out of me.

Sounds like Iran.

That's not at all what he claimed. Israel enjoys religious freedom. Not one person living in Isreal is "expected to embrace a certain religion".

I fought the urge to respond for awhile, because it is clear how many of you posting know so very little about Jewish history.

You think blacks have it bad in the US? The Jews have been treated even worse in every country they've tried to settle in for literally thousands of years.

Isreal is and has been, since the recreation of their state, the safest place in the world for Jews. Americans (and really anyone, but especially Americans because of how great of allies we've been to each other for 70+ years now) who don't support Israel do so for only one of two reasons.

Ignorance or antisemitism.

It's a contradiction to believe that Israel allows freedom of religion while also claiming that it is a Jewish State. You can't believe both.

I agree, as a Jewish person, that Jews have had it pretty rough in the world. Don't you think it could be possible that we work to improve treatment of Jews worldwide rather than say "yeah, we'll continue to **** over Jews so let's send 'em all to Israel."

You are Jewish ?

Yes, people have known this for years lmao

So you are one of the self hating Jews.

Beyond parody

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 11:15:00 AM (view original):

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Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 10:36:00 AM (view original):
And hey Bob...I would be in favor right now of granting Wyoming or the Dakotas to the indigenous people as sovereign states of their own with council rule becsuse of what was so unjustly done. All they have is small patches of land nothing like the land that was once theirs.....expanded reservations but proper sized.

And we should also give southern areas to black people and other places to Asian people.... just admit you like ethnostates.

Personally, I think diversity is good.

Hey macaroon israel was just and practical.
a larger land was divided. Jews with Arabs got one piece and just Arabs got the larger piece.
I like Israel as a special case in this ****** world so that a persecuted and annihilated people could have a safe haven.
2 legged stools like you are offended.

Once again ignoring my argument that maybe we should treat Jews better around the world so they wouldn't need a safe haven.

You're making the white nationalist argument that there's nothing we can (or should) do about discrimination so we might as well give everyone their own state.

Posted by laramiebob on 4/28/2021 11:36:00 AM (view original):
IF it's a Jewish State then I've gotta conclude other "belief" structures are "minorities", no? I admit I'm ignorant as to the verbiage of the Israeli Constitution but I do know OURS and ours has specific language to try and prohibit a "National" religion. Thus, legally, we are NOT a Christian Nation. We've eliminated that argument from our system legally......... no more fights over WHO is Christian and who ain't. (Ask any Mormon!).

Do they have legal Constitutional protections for the Hare Krishna(s) (or whoever) in Israel?
And IF they do, it's NOT a Jewish State.

Correct, Bob. You can't simultaneously believe that Israel is a "Jewish State" but also contend that somehow everyone's given equal rights.

Posted by tangplay on 4/28/2021 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 11:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/28/2021 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 10:36:00 AM (view original):
And hey Bob...I would be in favor right now of granting Wyoming or the Dakotas to the indigenous people as sovereign states of their own with council rule becsuse of what was so unjustly done. All they have is small patches of land nothing like the land that was once theirs.....expanded reservations but proper sized.

And we should also give southern areas to black people and other places to Asian people.... just admit you like ethnostates.

Personally, I think diversity is good.

Hey macaroon israel was just and practical.
a larger land was divided. Jews with Arabs got one piece and just Arabs got the larger piece.
I like Israel as a special case in this ****** world so that a persecuted and annihilated people could have a safe haven.
2 legged stools like you are offended.

Once again ignoring my argument that maybe we should treat Jews better around the world so they wouldn't need a safe haven.

You're making the white nationalist argument that there's nothing we can (or should) do about discrimination so we might as well give everyone their own state.

No I am not!
history and present day shows Jews require a safe haven and can’t exist without it. Every year for example thousands of Jews flee France to Israel because try as they do and they do try they can’t protect the Jews.
the Jews in this world have been uniquely singled out for destruction for thousands of years all around the world.
now that there is a home people like you need to take it away with fairy tales about fictitious peoples helping out the poor Jews and giving their little sliver to the Arabs who hate each other.
methinks people with your mindset are

Irony

Israel is a mini-Nazi War Criminal State

Free Palestine, now!!!!!!!!!

Posted by laramiebob on 4/28/2021 11:36:00 AM (view original):
IF it's a Jewish State then I've gotta conclude other "belief" structures are "minorities", no? I admit I'm ignorant as to the verbiage of the Israeli Constitution but I do know OURS and ours has specific language to try and prohibit a "National" religion. Thus, legally, we are NOT a Christian Nation. We've eliminated that argument from our system legally......... no more fights over WHO is Christian and who ain't. (Ask any Mormon!).

Do they have legal Constitutional protections for the Hare Krishna(s) (or whoever) in Israel?
And IF they do, it's NOT a Jewish State.

You don’t like it but it is a Jewish state with constitutional protections of freedom of religion for minorities and you have never heard of any argument from Muslims or Christians or Druze or humanists or atheists to the contrary ever.

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 11:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/28/2021 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 11:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/28/2021 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 10:36:00 AM (view original):
And hey Bob...I would be in favor right now of granting Wyoming or the Dakotas to the indigenous people as sovereign states of their own with council rule becsuse of what was so unjustly done. All they have is small patches of land nothing like the land that was once theirs.....expanded reservations but proper sized.

And we should also give southern areas to black people and other places to Asian people.... just admit you like ethnostates.

Personally, I think diversity is good.

Hey macaroon israel was just and practical.
a larger land was divided. Jews with Arabs got one piece and just Arabs got the larger piece.
I like Israel as a special case in this ****** world so that a persecuted and annihilated people could have a safe haven.
2 legged stools like you are offended.

Once again ignoring my argument that maybe we should treat Jews better around the world so they wouldn't need a safe haven.

You're making the white nationalist argument that there's nothing we can (or should) do about discrimination so we might as well give everyone their own state.

No I am not!
history and present day shows Jews require a safe haven and can’t exist without it. Every year for example thousands of Jews flee France to Israel because try as they do and they do try they can’t protect the Jews.
the Jews in this world have been uniquely singled out for destruction for thousands of years all around the world.
now that there is a home people like you need to take it away with fairy tales about fictitious peoples helping out the poor Jews and giving their little sliver to the Arabs who hate each other.
methinks people with your mindset are

This is literally the white nationalist argument

"Black people have been discriminated against for centuries by white people, it's natural, our systems aren't built for them so we might as well give them their own country, a "safe haven," if you will, where they can self-govern, and leave the rest to the white people."

Swap in Jews for black people and that's your argument.

You're right that I'm anti-ethnostate. That's the pro-Jew position.

Posted by bronxcheer on 4/28/2021 11:52:00 AM (view original):
Irony

Israel is a mini-Nazi War Criminal State

Free Palestine, now!!!!!!!!!

Palestine can be as free as it wants to be.
unfortunately it is so brain damaged that the entire world can’t bring it to its senses.
that’s why Russia and China won’t side with them and so many Arab countries are abandoning them and saying they dig their own graves.


free your brain and soul.

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 11:54:00 AM (view original):

Posted by laramiebob on 4/28/2021 11:36:00 AM (view original):
IF it's a Jewish State then I've gotta conclude other "belief" structures are "minorities", no? I admit I'm ignorant as to the verbiage of the Israeli Constitution but I do know OURS and ours has specific language to try and prohibit a "National" religion. Thus, legally, we are NOT a Christian Nation. We've eliminated that argument from our system legally......... no more fights over WHO is Christian and who ain't. (Ask any Mormon!).

Do they have legal Constitutional protections for the Hare Krishna(s) (or whoever) in Israel?
And IF they do, it's NOT a Jewish State.

You don’t like it but it is a Jewish state with constitutional protections of freedom of religion for minorities and you have never heard of any argument from Muslims or Christians or Druze or humanists or atheists to the contrary ever.

Why is it a Jewish state then? Just because they treat Jews well?

Under that definition, shouldn't every state be a Jewish state?

Posted by tangplay on 4/28/2021 11:56:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 11:50:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/28/2021 11:41:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 11:15:00 AM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 4/28/2021 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 4/28/2021 10:36:00 AM (view original):
And hey Bob...I would be in favor right now of granting Wyoming or the Dakotas to the indigenous people as sovereign states of their own with council rule becsuse of what was so unjustly done. All they have is small patches of land nothing like the land that was once theirs.....expanded reservations but proper sized.

And we should also give southern areas to black people and other places to Asian people.... just admit you like ethnostates.

Personally, I think diversity is good.

Hey macaroon israel was just and practical.
a larger land was divided. Jews with Arabs got one piece and just Arabs got the larger piece.
I like Israel as a special case in this ****** world so that a persecuted and annihilated people could have a safe haven.
2 legged stools like you are offended.

Once again ignoring my argument that maybe we should treat Jews better around the world so they wouldn't need a safe haven.

You're making the white nationalist argument that there's nothing we can (or should) do about discrimination so we might as well give everyone their own state.

No I am not!
history and present day shows Jews require a safe haven and can’t exist without it. Every year for example thousands of Jews flee France to Israel because try as they do and they do try they can’t protect the Jews.
the Jews in this world have been uniquely singled out for destruction for thousands of years all around the world.
now that there is a home people like you need to take it away with fairy tales about fictitious peoples helping out the poor Jews and giving their little sliver to the Arabs who hate each other.
methinks people with your mindset are

This is literally the white nationalist argument

"Black people have been discriminated against for centuries by white people, it's natural, our systems aren't built for them so we might as well give them their own country, a "safe haven," if you will, where they can self-govern, and leave the rest to the white people."

Swap in Jews for black people and that's your argument.

You're right that I'm anti-ethnostate. That's the pro-Jew position.

You are full of it.
you are nothing but a self hating Jew.
anybody reading these threads can learn about the small little section of self hating Jews and it is tiny trying to overturn the overwhelming Jewish belief and quest for the homeland.

I’ve said all I will say to a self hating Jew and others.
if Bob thinks it out better I’m happy to respond.
and yes Virginia, there is a Jewish state and it has 400 nuclear warheads so it is not going down voluntarily.

It's extremely evident that you had no substantive response to any of my arguments besides calling me a "self-hating Jew" for thinking that America should treat its Jewish population better and thinking that diversity is good.

Seems absurd to have to even mention this in this discussion but based on many responses it definitely is warranted.

"Jewish" is both a religion AND an ethnicity.
Sammy Davis Jr. was Jewish but not Jewish.

The persecution of the Jews comes from those who are opposed to the ethnicity and not the religion.

Yes they are intimately linked, but they are also two entirely differently things.

Posted by bruceleefan on 4/28/2021 12:18:00 PM (view original):
Seems absurd to have to even mention this in this discussion but based on many responses it definitely is warranted.

"Jewish" is both a religion AND an ethnicity.
Sammy Davis Jr. was Jewish but not Jewish.

The persecution of the Jews comes from those who are opposed to the ethnicity and not the religion.

Yes they are intimately linked, but they are also two entirely differently things.

This man really does understand.
there are millions upon millions of secular Jews who don’t even believe in the Bible except as a source of inspiration and heritage.

I would say the Arab hate is based on ethnicity but there is plenty of hate based on refusal to accept Jesus.