Posted by tangplay on 5/13/2021 5:44:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/13/2021 5:06:00 PM (view original):
The setters issue is recent.
the moron says that Israel should not be a Jewish state.
israel like the United States is flawed.
the recent grab by the settlers is wrong and I have said it many many times. It also involves a handful of homes which was not justification for sending hundreds of bombs into highly populated areas.

and they didn’t even wait fit the Israeli Supreme Court to rule.
one bad thing and it is very bad does not justify terror on an entire country subjecting its own people to death from self defense retaliation.

again - the Palestinians turned down peace with half of jerusulam and pre 1967 borders several times.
they reap what they sow and the Arab world is sick or them. They are pariahs and the Arab countries give them very minuscule financial help or moral support.

notice the crickets right now?

"It was just a little bit of colonization (that has been happening for years), don't fight back!!!!!!!!!"

They were the ones fighting before Israel had to fight back for decades and now they have to deal with a right wing Israel sick and tired of their intransigence and terror so they have reaped what they have sown.....in other words they blew it and have no one to blame but themselves. - you mo-ron.

Posted by tangplay on 5/13/2021 5:47:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 5/13/2021 5:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/13/2021 4:50:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by tangplay on 5/13/2021 12:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by Guitarguy567 on 5/13/2021 7:32:00 AM (view original):
No criticism is allowed to be made of Palestinians, none at all. Even Yang has been forced to apologize.

Just another protected group. Another biased narrative.

I am just hoping this wakes up my Jewish friends on the left (myself an agnostic Jew), that they may see the insidious ways that the modern left works.

It's insane to me that you'll make this criticism of the left (which might be accurate, I don't like Hamas but I do know that a lot of lefties are dogmatic) but won't do the same of the other side. My only statements have been that bombing children, colonization, and ethnostates are all bad, yet I've repeatedly been called antisemitic despite being a Jew myself.

The bombing of children is obviously bad. That being sad, a country should also have the right to defend itself. My contention (and not really mine but that of people much smarter and informed than me...I am no expert on the Middle East) is that Hamas has, through its actions, put Palestinian children in harm's way.

And who do you want me to criticize from the right? Dick Cheney? W. Bush? Because I absolutely will, the neocon program effed up this American century so far.

Personally, I think Biden is a puppet prez, but he's nowhere near as bad as W.

I wish Trump would go away, but I think it'll be clear that the world was a safer place when he was in charge than someone like Biden. Time will tell, I may certainly (and hopefully) be wrong.

But doesn't it just feel like the other shoe is about to drop?

The death of children is bad. Israel does not intentionally bomb children or kill children or recklessly do it.
tjey give warnings most of the time before they bomb buildings or dwellings ie the 7 story evacuated building they bombed a few days ago.

obviously children have been killed in wars by the good guys in just wars in modern times.

how often is Israel accused of atrocities or the USA when others who intentionally bomb population centers looking for mass casualties intentionally ignored.

that is proof of why the Jews need and are entitled to their homeland officially given to them after world war 2 which was to be the Jewish homeland with Arabs in it and most stayed before all the Arab countries tried to destroy Israel.
The Arabs who stayed have the best standard of living of any in the Middle East and don’t have a monarch or shariah law. They don’t want to live anywhere else because they can’t get it better anywhere else unless to come to the USA.

I think Dino makes a really good point here about the best standard of living in the Middle East.

It is the Palestinians that have rejected overtures of statehood, no?

My area of interest vis a vis Israel mostly has to do with the city of Nazareth. I have a very distant relative from there. As far as I know, the current population is majority Arab and standard of living, if one only assesses Nazareth alone, is higher than most other Middle Eastern cities.

Yeah, I don't disagree with anything said here. I'm not going to comment on the history as much, I need to do more research.

I have repeatedly said that the idea of an Israel existing is fine. I don't like the idea of a "Jewish state." I would say the same about any religious or ethnic group. I don't like ethnostates. I would hope that everyone here would agree with that.

That doesn't mean that Israel should cede their government to people who would want to oppress Jews, but it also don't mean that Israel should be a "Jewish state" either.

I don’t give a **** what you or other cloistered conned people think about a Jewish state of Israel. All of know is that you and your like are dangerous to the Jewish people here and anywhere
lech le haazail.

You're right dino, Palestine gave Israel no choice but to drive Palestinians out of their homes, expand Israeli land, and bomb Palestinian children.

And they did it all in self-defense.

Posted by tangplay on 5/13/2021 8:02:00 PM (view original):
You're right dino, Palestine gave Israel no choice but to drive Palestinians out of their homes, expand Israeli land, and bomb Palestinian children.

And they did it all in self-defense.

You know **** about history you piece of trash.
israel had land with Arabs and the other land portioned was just for Arabs now called Palestine. Palestine and other Arab countries immediately declared war on Israel in 1948.
A bunch of Farmer’s and tailors and accountants won. The Arab countries ar that time told the lsraeli Arabs to leave and run when they started the war and many did. Most stayed and they are now Israeli Arabs. Many that fled landed on the border of Jordan and Jordan refused them. They made a mess .
they all tried to kill Israel again in 1956. They lost.
they tried again in 1967 and lost and lost land.
they tried again in 1973 and lost.
since then the other countries gave up and it has been Palestinian terror dedicated to the proposition that the founding of the Israeli state was a crime and that Israel had no right to exist. All for the Arabs and no land whatsoever for the Jews was the mantra for the people of shariah law and vicious patriarchal societies which abhor democracy.
and the Jews had no right to a homeland.
jews were there first with non Islamic Arabs thousands of years ago with constant persecution and displacement ie the romans before there even was Christianity.
islam as a religion is only approximately 1400 years old which is one of the reasons it is so barbaric throughout most of the world.

Israel is the one and only quality country and civilization in the Middle East.

id like to puke on the people who don’t give a flying **** about any Arabs except the one who want to take over Israel and complain about the Israeli society and don’t give a flying **** about every frigging Arabic country ruled by monarchs and which trrroruze their people especially women and gay people with barbaric shariah law.

there are some really bad people in this forum.

what i would do

if i were you

is admit i'm a racist

and want them dead

And let me clarify one more point for the black hearted and stupid people.
when the land was partitioned into Israel and Palestinian the Palestinians just refused to accept the borders before war was declared on Israel. They have to this day never accepted the original United Nations mandate and have never accepted borders and they lost land in 1967 in war. It happens. Because of all this they don’t have a county. And they cry like babies and create terror.
tjey have been offered all the land they lost in 1967 including E. Jerusulam but they refuse.

so what can you do.
Israel got tired of terror and became right wing and before that happened when Clinton was prez they were warned that things would change for the worse when Israel turned right wing. They were warned.
they reaped what they sowed.
they are still in the same place they have always been.
living in a hateful fantasy that Israel will give up and cede their land and country to the Palestinians and others living as squatters near Jordan after fleeing Israel and Palestine in 1948.

and that is history and that’s the way it is and **** You to those who think that Jews are racists.

do you wanna win this war

yes you do

sing We shall overcome

then hit em with a big right cross

I made the claim that Israel shouldn't drive Palestinians out of their homes and dino responded with an irrelevant long tirade about the history, none of which justifies Israel's current actions.

And follows it up by assuming that I am perfectly ok with conservative Islam? No, dino, as a progressive, I'm not OK with many Islamic Arabic states. It's why I'm OK with Israel as a concept. I've never called for it to be destroyed. There should probably be a state in the middle east dedicated to protecting Jewish freedoms. Does that state need to be a Jewish State? NO! If a progressive and open-minded Islamic person or Arabic person wanted to join the country, they should be able to.

I'm uncomfortable with the idea of Israel being a "Jewish State" because
1. The more "Israel" is conflated with "Jews," the more likely it is that criticism of Israel is equivalent to criticism of Jewish people. Ironically, Zionists and Nazis actually agree on this issue. Both believe that criticisms of Israel are equivalent to disliking Jews. I'm taking the anti-Nazi position on this one. I can say that Israel does a bad thing without disliking Jewish people.
2. If you believe that Israel should be a "Jewish State" (I.E. control their population such that they remain majority Jewish religiously or ethnically), then you MUST also believe in the idea of a white state, black state, Christian State, Islamic State. I note that whenever this point is brought up, Dino repeatedly dodges since an acknowledgement would force him to either endorse white nationalism or recognize that the idea of a "Jewish State" is absurd.

Finally, I can't believe I have to say this, but me saying that Israel sometimes does bad things is NOT THE SAME as me saying that every other country never does bad things. Obviously.

The fact that I've repeatedly been called antisemitic for these positions is kind of hilarious to me, especially when dino's argument and a Nazi's argument are virtually the same. A Nazi would agree with Dino that if you don't like some things Israel does, you are antisemitic, because Israel=Jews.

You are a joke because you can’t tolerate this little Jewish country in the middle of 450 million Arabs.
like it really harms anyone except haters of Jewish people and the unfortunate tradition of Islamic jealousy.
I recite history because you keep on talking about current events as one long progression of the same which they are not and disregard the underpinnings of where things are now.
and I recite history to show just how racially charged are the true motivations and hearts of people who get all hot and bothered that there be a little Jewish country the size of New Jersey created special by the United Nations stuck in middle of 450 million Islamic Arabs that until recently called for the destruction of Israel because they got a sliver of land mostly desert with no oil.
Iran remains as a people living and lusting and dreaming for the death of Israel with unnatural uncivilized hate.

you are a joke. I have no respect for your intellect or common sense or sense of justice or morality and ethics.

And again this recent land grab is a handful of homes not a city. And did not justify war by a people who have fought against their own statehood for 74 years and going....




so while I do feel bad for millions of people stuck between stupidity and OR Hamas and the terror groups I could care less about the death of terror militants who commit terror because they still refuse to accept the creation and existence of Israel. And I do criticize a people that won’t rise up
against the enslaving Hamas who are preventing the masses from gaining peace and statehood. Israel offers peace and wants it . Hamas is the enemy.
when they have to Israel roots then out and kills the terrorists and destroys their infrastructure.

don’t be so stupid to think that everything comes down to a land grab of a few homes by a few radical settlers that are enjoined in court over it.

if you really have any reading comprehension you should start getting it.
and start to live in the real world because that is the only one there is.

I hope you will finally shut up.

Btw - morons. The homes in question which have Not been taken yet because of litigation started by the Israeli attorney general was part of land purchased by Jewish groups in the 1800s and was theirs until 1948 when confiscated by Jordan during the war and Arabic homes were then built there.

the more you know.

if you want to understand confiscation look up why the Temple Mount had to be built where it was.

You make another good point about Iran. The current administration needs to get MUCH more tough with them.

Texans went to war when someone else attempted to set their "boundaries". Became The Republic of Texas.

Folks don't usually like it when someone else decides to DECIDE just what land should be "allocated" to the folks.
Especially when all the Land used to be theirs.
Ask any Indian.

Posted by laramiebob on 5/14/2021 9:09:00 AM (view original):
Texans went to war when someone else attempted to set their "boundaries". Became The Republic of Texas.

Folks don't usually like it when someone else decides to DECIDE just what land should be "allocated" to the folks.
Especially when all the Land used to be theirs.
Ask any Indian.

Both had the land for thousands of years.
you are making a mistake with your analogy.
where do you think the Jews started.
they were always there.
they weren’t allocated there.
such a shame that your blindness could obscure such an obvious fact.
the land was divided but the Arabs living in the Jewish portion stayed there and were part of it.
the land was held by Jews and Arabs when the U.N. partitioned it into halves. Jews were always there and never were not.
The Jews could just as easily said no - it is all ours.

the Jews said we are happy to share.
the Arabs would not share.

all the land was never of the Arabs - that is your fatal mistake.

get it now?