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Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:18:00 PM (view original):
fwiw, I've never defended Hamas a single time, I've repeatedly called them terrorists, I've said Israel has a right to exist, not once have I blamed Jewish people for my criticisms of Israel, and I've argued that Israel should be a safe state for Jewish people in a sea of anti-Jewish nations that are horrible.

Yet I'm called antisemitic for four statements
1. I think ethnostates are bad
2. I think Israel started the recent wave of violence by evicting Palestinians from their homes - colonization is bad
3. Israel is clearly the dominant power and probably has a higher obligation to search for peace - their retaliations will always do more damage
4. Israel has a horrifying practice of bombing homes, hospitals, news offices, charities, etc. and then lying about Hamas being present

All of these statements are defensible in my view. If you're going to attack me, attack me on those.

Also CCCP, I don't know if you've been paying attention but Joe Biden has repeatedly took the side of Israel... like he's said they have a right to defend themselves and has openly sided with them during this conflict. So I'm not sure where your criticism of the dems comes from.

He has a habit of twisting things up.
now he says the taking of the homes is land taken from the Palestinians.
he and Bob have both said that Israel took the land away in 1948.

he never raised a ruckus about the Arab states being “ethnistates “ but goes crazy over Israel.

he is vehemently against Israel being Jewish from its inception to the present.

he has ignored the question of the Palestinian demand of right of return - won’t address it.

Won’t address fact that even most Arab states today are fine with Israel as the Jewish state.

Let's go point by point.

1. Whether or not Israel has a claim from 1948 to the land is completely irrelevant to me. Palestinians have been living there for generations. It's not OK to evict people from their homes that they've been living in for their entire lives because of land claims from nearly a hundred years ago. Do you think Native Americans should evict you from your home? If not, why are you OK with Israel doing the same thing?

2. Arab ethnostates - I've repeatedly said that those states are also ****** up and should not be ethnostates. We only went back and forth on Israel because you think an Arab state is bad but a Jewish state is good.

3. Being against Jewish Israel - I think Israel should be a safe state for Jews. I don't think it should be an ethnostate (aka a "Jewish state"). Just like I think we should have states that are safe for black people, but should have a "black state."

4. This is the first time you've brought up right of return. What do you want me to address about it?

5. Most Arab states are fine with Israel as a Jewish state because they don't want Jews in their country, lmao.

Wow you really are a tool.

#1) Israel offered to share the land and the word "Palestinian" was first uttered in 1967 by Arafat, an Egyptian. Israel conquered the land. Like the US did by taking Texas and Cali from Mexico.

#2) Arab states? You mean Islamist states where there is no separation of church and state. Women are treated worse than cattle and Hamas throws gays off roofs. Islamist expelled most Jews from Arab lands in the Middle East and forced them into Judea aka Israel. Where Israel won its land from two wars. To the victors go the spoils. Or do you want the US to return Cali and TX back to Mexico?

#3) Safest place for a non-Muslim and a Muslim in the Middle East is Israel. Jews aren't welcome anywhere else in the Middle East.

#4) You can address that you have no idea what the word "ally" means.

#5) They are? Most Arab states are fine? You are delusional.

1/2 - If there were a bunch of Mexicans that had been living in Texas for a hundred years, I would not be OK with the US government walking in and kicking them out of their homes due to the fact that we won a war a long time ago. I would also not be OK with native Americans kicking me out of my home because technically the land I live on was stolen. No, you shouldn't kick people out of their homes. Israel is trying to EXPAND their land by kicking Palestinians out. I am not OK with that.

3 - Yes. I agree. I said the exact same thing above. Not sure why you think anything I've said before contradicts this statement.

5 - Do you think this statement "most Arab states today are fine with Israel as the Jewish state" is delusional.

Because that was the statement dino said that I was responding to.

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:55:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Dino still refuses to answer whether Israel SHOULD control their immigration so that the population remains almost completely Jewish or majority Jewish.

And whether other nations should do the same for white people, black people, Christians, Arabs, etc.

They should as it is the only mostly Jewish state and Jews are despised in many regions of the world. There is no reason for Israel not to remain mostly Jewish in order to preserve culture. White and black are skin colors. Arabs do have their own countries. Do you believe China would want to be mostly non-Chinese or France be mostly non-French? Judaism is a culture as well as a religion. Are you ever not a complete and utter tool. And Hamas fires missiles into Israel, not stones. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

The safest place for a Muslim woman and or a Muslim gay person in the middle east is in Israel. How do you explain that, leftist?

Look at France and Habib s and refusal to allow shariah courts.

only a fool or antisemite does not accept that if Palestinians took over Israel it would become yet another Islamic country.

I didn't realize that you think all Arabs hate Jewish people????
Damn, maybe you really are racist!

CULTURE and ETHNICITY/RACE are NOT the same thing. Protecting your CULTURE does NOT mean keeping out a racial or ethnic group.

I am ok with one, I am NOT OK with another.

When did I say "all"? What % of Muslims would you say hate Jews? There are 1.6bn....give me a %.

Culture and ethnicity/race aren't always the same, correct but Israel is still but a toddler nation. I don't care what you are or are not fine with since you're ignorant. Jews still have that Holocaust issue and are obviously still very protective of their/our culture. My parents didn't live through it as they were too young but their parents (my grandparents) did and it impacted how they raised my parents and does create a certain bond. Which is why Jews so often help other Jews. Why Jewish neighborhoods are some of the very best in the US.

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 1:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Dino still refuses to answer whether Israel SHOULD control their immigration so that the population remains almost completely Jewish or majority Jewish.

And whether other nations should do the same for white people, black people, Christians, Arabs, etc.

They should as it is the only mostly Jewish state and Jews are despised in many regions of the world. There is no reason for Israel not to remain mostly Jewish in order to preserve culture. White and black are skin colors. Arabs do have their own countries. Do you believe China would want to be mostly non-Chinese or France be mostly non-French? Judaism is a culture as well as a religion. Are you ever not a complete and utter tool. And Hamas fires missiles into Israel, not stones. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

The safest place for a Muslim woman and or a Muslim gay person in the middle east is in Israel. How do you explain that, leftist?

Look at France and Habib s and refusal to allow shariah courts.

only a fool or antisemite does not accept that if Palestinians took over Israel it would become yet another Islamic country.

I didn't realize that you think all Arabs hate Jewish people????
Damn, maybe you really are racist!

CULTURE and ETHNICITY/RACE are NOT the same thing. Protecting your CULTURE does NOT mean keeping out a racial or ethnic group.

I am ok with one, I am NOT OK with another.

There he goes again with his immature intellectual dishonesty putting words in my mouth.

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 2:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 1:54:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:36:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 1:25:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:18:00 PM (view original):
fwiw, I've never defended Hamas a single time, I've repeatedly called them terrorists, I've said Israel has a right to exist, not once have I blamed Jewish people for my criticisms of Israel, and I've argued that Israel should be a safe state for Jewish people in a sea of anti-Jewish nations that are horrible.

Yet I'm called antisemitic for four statements
1. I think ethnostates are bad
2. I think Israel started the recent wave of violence by evicting Palestinians from their homes - colonization is bad
3. Israel is clearly the dominant power and probably has a higher obligation to search for peace - their retaliations will always do more damage
4. Israel has a horrifying practice of bombing homes, hospitals, news offices, charities, etc. and then lying about Hamas being present

All of these statements are defensible in my view. If you're going to attack me, attack me on those.

Also CCCP, I don't know if you've been paying attention but Joe Biden has repeatedly took the side of Israel... like he's said they have a right to defend themselves and has openly sided with them during this conflict. So I'm not sure where your criticism of the dems comes from.

He has a habit of twisting things up.
now he says the taking of the homes is land taken from the Palestinians.
he and Bob have both said that Israel took the land away in 1948.

he never raised a ruckus about the Arab states being “ethnistates “ but goes crazy over Israel.

he is vehemently against Israel being Jewish from its inception to the present.

he has ignored the question of the Palestinian demand of right of return - won’t address it.

Won’t address fact that even most Arab states today are fine with Israel as the Jewish state.

Let's go point by point.

1. Whether or not Israel has a claim from 1948 to the land is completely irrelevant to me. Palestinians have been living there for generations. It's not OK to evict people from their homes that they've been living in for their entire lives because of land claims from nearly a hundred years ago. Do you think Native Americans should evict you from your home? If not, why are you OK with Israel doing the same thing?

2. Arab ethnostates - I've repeatedly said that those states are also ****** up and should not be ethnostates. We only went back and forth on Israel because you think an Arab state is bad but a Jewish state is good.

3. Being against Jewish Israel - I think Israel should be a safe state for Jews. I don't think it should be an ethnostate (aka a "Jewish state"). Just like I think we should have states that are safe for black people, but should have a "black state."

4. This is the first time you've brought up right of return. What do you want me to address about it?

5. Most Arab states are fine with Israel as a Jewish state because they don't want Jews in their country, lmao.

Wow you really are a tool.

#1) Israel offered to share the land and the word "Palestinian" was first uttered in 1967 by Arafat, an Egyptian. Israel conquered the land. Like the US did by taking Texas and Cali from Mexico.

#2) Arab states? You mean Islamist states where there is no separation of church and state. Women are treated worse than cattle and Hamas throws gays off roofs. Islamist expelled most Jews from Arab lands in the Middle East and forced them into Judea aka Israel. Where Israel won its land from two wars. To the victors go the spoils. Or do you want the US to return Cali and TX back to Mexico?

#3) Safest place for a non-Muslim and a Muslim in the Middle East is Israel. Jews aren't welcome anywhere else in the Middle East.

#4) You can address that you have no idea what the word "ally" means.

#5) They are? Most Arab states are fine? You are delusional.

1/2 - If there were a bunch of Mexicans that had been living in Texas for a hundred years, I would not be OK with the US government walking in and kicking them out of their homes due to the fact that we won a war a long time ago. I would also not be OK with native Americans kicking me out of my home because technically the land I live on was stolen. No, you shouldn't kick people out of their homes. Israel is trying to EXPAND their land by kicking Palestinians out. I am not OK with that.

3 - Yes. I agree. I said the exact same thing above. Not sure why you think anything I've said before contradicts this statement.

5 - Do you think this statement "most Arab states today are fine with Israel as the Jewish state" is delusional.

Because that was the statement dino said that I was responding to.

#1) Expand what? So because it was 70 years beforehand you're OK with that. Arabs/Muslims kicked Jews out of their homes throughout the Middle East, forcing them to move to Europe, US and or Israel. You're discussing the West Bank and the settlements there. Why does "Palestine" have a right to that land over Israel? Let me ask you this, if you had to spend a year living in either Israel, Gaza or the Fatah controlled West Bank, where you you live?

#3) Because if you allow Arabs to overtake Israel and its culture it will become another Islamist Sharia Law run country where women and gays arent safe.

#5) Yes, it speaks of how insane you are. dino likely means because it ensures Jews don't live in those states and you have to have context. Its not true for the Middle East but Indonesia likely doesn't care.

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Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:55:00 PM (view original):

Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 1:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Dino still refuses to answer whether Israel SHOULD control their immigration so that the population remains almost completely Jewish or majority Jewish.

And whether other nations should do the same for white people, black people, Christians, Arabs, etc.

They should as it is the only mostly Jewish state and Jews are despised in many regions of the world. There is no reason for Israel not to remain mostly Jewish in order to preserve culture. White and black are skin colors. Arabs do have their own countries. Do you believe China would want to be mostly non-Chinese or France be mostly non-French? Judaism is a culture as well as a religion. Are you ever not a complete and utter tool. And Hamas fires missiles into Israel, not stones. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

The safest place for a Muslim woman and or a Muslim gay person in the middle east is in Israel. How do you explain that, leftist?

Look at France and Habib s and refusal to allow shariah courts.

only a fool or antisemite does not accept that if Palestinians took over Israel it would become yet another Islamic country.

I didn't realize that you think all Arabs hate Jewish people????
Damn, maybe you really are racist!

CULTURE and ETHNICITY/RACE are NOT the same thing. Protecting your CULTURE does NOT mean keeping out a racial or ethnic group.

I am ok with one, I am NOT OK with another.

There he goes again with his immature intellectual dishonesty putting words in my mouth.

That is all he has. Intellectual dishonesty.

Again - what was the religion of your mother when you were welped?

Can you believe that someone is so infuriated that Israel is a Jewish state?

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 1:58:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:53:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Dino still refuses to answer whether Israel SHOULD control their immigration so that the population remains almost completely Jewish or majority Jewish.

And whether other nations should do the same for white people, black people, Christians, Arabs, etc.

They should as it is the only mostly Jewish state and Jews are despised in many regions of the world. There is no reason for Israel not to remain mostly Jewish in order to preserve culture. White and black are skin colors. Arabs do have their own countries. Do you believe China would want to be mostly non-Chinese or France be mostly non-French? Judaism is a culture as well as a religion. Are you ever not a complete and utter tool. And Hamas fires missiles into Israel, not stones. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

The safest place for a Muslim woman and or a Muslim gay person in the middle east is in Israel. How do you explain that, leftist?

What if Israel allowed Arabic people in who did not despise Jews and allowed Jews to preserve their culture? See, I'm fine with Israel saying, "we won't let you in our country if you don't like Jewish people." What I'm not fine with is, "We won't let you in because you aren't Jewish." See the difference?

I really want you to explain why you don't support white people or black people doing the same in their countries. What does "being French" mean? French culture, or French heritage? I'm guessing that you're loading the **** out of that term.

Yes, Hamas is bad and a terrorist group. I just acknowledged that, keep up.

Yep, Israel is probably the best state in the middle east and the most left-wing one culturally, which is why they support gay rights (unlike many conservatives in America). I like the Israeli people.

I don't see the difference and there are many non-Jews in Israel % wise. Can you say the same for KSA or Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt? How would they know who is and isn't fine with Israel?

White and black are just skin colors. French culture and heritage. One may be black and or white but still be French. If France allowed 75 million Chinese people into France, it would no longer be France. Hence there are immigration laws.

But you equated Hamas with Israel, which is a Democracy. Tool.

Israeli people would find you abhorrent. Funny how that is. Not because you are gay but because you hate Jews.

WHAT? Wait, do you think not being Jewish means you HAVE to hate Jewish people? Yes, Israel is better than other states in the middle east. I'm asking you a hypothetical.

My stance on this issue is that if you want to maintain a state that protects a culture, such as not killing Jewish people, that's ok. However, I'm always going to be uncomfortable with a nation that says, "we want to keep ourselves a majority of this racial, ethnic, or religious group." The entire point of this conversation is that I don't like calling Israel a "Jewish State." Israel is not equivalent to "Jewish people." We're not the same, just like Hamas does not equal "Palestinian people."

Israel is undoubtedly better than other states in the Middle East. I just don't like the rhetoric around "Jewish state" because I don't like the idea of saying, "you're Arabic so you don't belong here." I would apply the same to Arabic states who do the same to Jewish people.

I said that Hamas is a terrorist group, and I've never called the Israel state a terrorist organization, so I'm not sure how I've equated the two.

And you're 0/2 on that last point. I'm not gay and I love Jews.

Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Again - what was the religion of your mother when you were welped?

Let me answer so he may piggy back off it. My mother and father were and are Jewish. They belong to a Temple. They donate hundreds of thousands to Jewish causes. We have relatives in Israel. My parents prior to COVID would go there 3-4 times per year and the only place my dad said where he felt like he was among those like him.

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Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:55:00 PM (view original):

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Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Dino still refuses to answer whether Israel SHOULD control their immigration so that the population remains almost completely Jewish or majority Jewish.

And whether other nations should do the same for white people, black people, Christians, Arabs, etc.

They should as it is the only mostly Jewish state and Jews are despised in many regions of the world. There is no reason for Israel not to remain mostly Jewish in order to preserve culture. White and black are skin colors. Arabs do have their own countries. Do you believe China would want to be mostly non-Chinese or France be mostly non-French? Judaism is a culture as well as a religion. Are you ever not a complete and utter tool. And Hamas fires missiles into Israel, not stones. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

The safest place for a Muslim woman and or a Muslim gay person in the middle east is in Israel. How do you explain that, leftist?

Look at France and Habib s and refusal to allow shariah courts.

only a fool or antisemite does not accept that if Palestinians took over Israel it would become yet another Islamic country.

I didn't realize that you think all Arabs hate Jewish people????
Damn, maybe you really are racist!

CULTURE and ETHNICITY/RACE are NOT the same thing. Protecting your CULTURE does NOT mean keeping out a racial or ethnic group.

I am ok with one, I am NOT OK with another.

When did I say "all"? What % of Muslims would you say hate Jews? There are 1.6bn....give me a %.

Culture and ethnicity/race aren't always the same, correct but Israel is still but a toddler nation. I don't care what you are or are not fine with since you're ignorant. Jews still have that Holocaust issue and are obviously still very protective of their/our culture. My parents didn't live through it as they were too young but their parents (my grandparents) did and it impacted how they raised my parents and does create a certain bond. Which is why Jews so often help other Jews. Why Jewish neighborhoods are some of the very best in the US.

I have no idea and it doesn't matter as long as the answer isn't 100%. It could very well be true that a state committed to protecting Jews would remain majority-Jewish.

Yeah, and I get that. And I think Israelis have a right to be protective of their culture. But that doesn't mean that Israel should be a "Jewish state."

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Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Dino still refuses to answer whether Israel SHOULD control their immigration so that the population remains almost completely Jewish or majority Jewish.

And whether other nations should do the same for white people, black people, Christians, Arabs, etc.

They should as it is the only mostly Jewish state and Jews are despised in many regions of the world. There is no reason for Israel not to remain mostly Jewish in order to preserve culture. White and black are skin colors. Arabs do have their own countries. Do you believe China would want to be mostly non-Chinese or France be mostly non-French? Judaism is a culture as well as a religion. Are you ever not a complete and utter tool. And Hamas fires missiles into Israel, not stones. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

The safest place for a Muslim woman and or a Muslim gay person in the middle east is in Israel. How do you explain that, leftist?

What if Israel allowed Arabic people in who did not despise Jews and allowed Jews to preserve their culture? See, I'm fine with Israel saying, "we won't let you in our country if you don't like Jewish people." What I'm not fine with is, "We won't let you in because you aren't Jewish." See the difference?

I really want you to explain why you don't support white people or black people doing the same in their countries. What does "being French" mean? French culture, or French heritage? I'm guessing that you're loading the **** out of that term.

Yes, Hamas is bad and a terrorist group. I just acknowledged that, keep up.

Yep, Israel is probably the best state in the middle east and the most left-wing one culturally, which is why they support gay rights (unlike many conservatives in America). I like the Israeli people.

I don't see the difference and there are many non-Jews in Israel % wise. Can you say the same for KSA or Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Egypt? How would they know who is and isn't fine with Israel?

White and black are just skin colors. French culture and heritage. One may be black and or white but still be French. If France allowed 75 million Chinese people into France, it would no longer be France. Hence there are immigration laws.

But you equated Hamas with Israel, which is a Democracy. Tool.

Israeli people would find you abhorrent. Funny how that is. Not because you are gay but because you hate Jews.

WHAT? Wait, do you think not being Jewish means you HAVE to hate Jewish people? Yes, Israel is better than other states in the middle east. I'm asking you a hypothetical.

My stance on this issue is that if you want to maintain a state that protects a culture, such as not killing Jewish people, that's ok. However, I'm always going to be uncomfortable with a nation that says, "we want to keep ourselves a majority of this racial, ethnic, or religious group." The entire point of this conversation is that I don't like calling Israel a "Jewish State." Israel is not equivalent to "Jewish people." We're not the same, just like Hamas does not equal "Palestinian people."

Israel is undoubtedly better than other states in the Middle East. I just don't like the rhetoric around "Jewish state" because I don't like the idea of saying, "you're Arabic so you don't belong here." I would apply the same to Arabic states who do the same to Jewish people.

I said that Hamas is a terrorist group, and I've never called the Israel state a terrorist organization, so I'm not sure how I've equated the two.

And you're 0/2 on that last point. I'm not gay and I love Jews.

So again what % of 1.6bn Muslims dislikes Jews? Give me an educated guess. Hamas aka Gaza is a terror state. So do you believe that France would still be France if 75 million Chinese people move into France? Yes or No?

Here is what you don't get. If you switch Palestinians with Kurds, you and your kind would scream at how badly the Jews are treating the poor Kurds and would not give a damn about Palestinians as Iraq and Turkey wipe them out. No one gives a hoot at how Lebanon treats Palestinians. You are a hypocrite. And I disagree that I am 0/2. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Posted by cccp1014 on 5/24/2021 1:46:00 PM (view original):

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 1:42:00 PM (view original):
Dino still refuses to answer whether Israel SHOULD control their immigration so that the population remains almost completely Jewish or majority Jewish.

And whether other nations should do the same for white people, black people, Christians, Arabs, etc.

They should as it is the only mostly Jewish state and Jews are despised in many regions of the world. There is no reason for Israel not to remain mostly Jewish in order to preserve culture. White and black are skin colors. Arabs do have their own countries. Do you believe China would want to be mostly non-Chinese or France be mostly non-French? Judaism is a culture as well as a religion. Are you ever not a complete and utter tool. And Hamas fires missiles into Israel, not stones. Hamas is an internationally recognized terrorist organization.

The safest place for a Muslim woman and or a Muslim gay person in the middle east is in Israel. How do you explain that, leftist?

Look at France and Habib s and refusal to allow shariah courts.

only a fool or antisemite does not accept that if Palestinians took over Israel it would become yet another Islamic country.

I didn't realize that you think all Arabs hate Jewish people????
Damn, maybe you really are racist!

CULTURE and ETHNICITY/RACE are NOT the same thing. Protecting your CULTURE does NOT mean keeping out a racial or ethnic group.

I am ok with one, I am NOT OK with another.

When did I say "all"? What % of Muslims would you say hate Jews? There are 1.6bn....give me a %.

Culture and ethnicity/race aren't always the same, correct but Israel is still but a toddler nation. I don't care what you are or are not fine with since you're ignorant. Jews still have that Holocaust issue and are obviously still very protective of their/our culture. My parents didn't live through it as they were too young but their parents (my grandparents) did and it impacted how they raised my parents and does create a certain bond. Which is why Jews so often help other Jews. Why Jewish neighborhoods are some of the very best in the US.

I have no idea and it doesn't matter as long as the answer isn't 100%. It could very well be true that a state committed to protecting Jews would remain majority-Jewish.

Yeah, and I get that. And I think Israelis have a right to be protective of their culture. But that doesn't mean that Israel should be a "Jewish state."

It does matter you say it does not because it doesn't fit your leftist narrative. How else can Israel protect its culture w/o maintaining a majority? Is Spain a "Spanish State"? Come on man.

Arabs/Muslims kicked Jews out of their homes throughout the Middle East, forcing them to move to Europe, US and or Israel.

It's shocking to me that with all my prior positions, you think I would be OK with this. NO, this was also bad. Jesus.

You're discussing the West Bank and the settlements there. Why does "Palestine" have a right to that land over Israel? Let me ask you this, if you had to spend a year living in either Israel, Gaza or the Fatah controlled West Bank, where you you live?

I don't know man, maybe Palestinians shouldn't be kicked out of homes they've been living in for generations. Is this really a controversial position? The settlements are bad and they've destroyed lives. I would rather live in Israel, of course. It's more developed, likely more progressive and less chance of being bombed because of the Iron Dome.

#3) Because if you allow Arabs to overtake Israel and its culture it will become another Islamist Sharia Law run country where women and gays arent safe.

No, that's not necessarily true. Why can't Israel just allow Arabs who don't support sharia law into their country? We have 3.35 million Muslims in our country, and how many terror attacks and hate crimes and sharia law zones do we see here?

#5) Yes, it speaks of how insane you are. dino likely means because it ensures Jews don't live in those states

Yes. I also said "Most Arab states are fine with Israel as a Jewish state because they don't want Jews in their country, lmao."

You're insane. I say something that you agree with and you call me delusional.

Posted by dino27 on 5/24/2021 2:06:00 PM (view original):
Again - what was the religion of your mother when you were welped?

Christian. Now point me to the part of Jewish law that erases Matrilineage so long as someone is also Christian.

Posted by tangplay on 5/24/2021 2:17:00 PM (view original):

Arabs/Muslims kicked Jews out of their homes throughout the Middle East, forcing them to move to Europe, US and or Israel.

It's shocking to me that with all my prior positions, you think I would be OK with this. NO, this was also bad. Jesus.

You're discussing the West Bank and the settlements there. Why does "Palestine" have a right to that land over Israel? Let me ask you this, if you had to spend a year living in either Israel, Gaza or the Fatah controlled West Bank, where you you live?

I don't know man, maybe Palestinians shouldn't be kicked out of homes they've been living in for generations. Is this really a controversial position? The settlements are bad and they've destroyed lives. I would rather live in Israel, of course. It's more developed, likely more progressive and less chance of being bombed because of the Iron Dome.

#3) Because if you allow Arabs to overtake Israel and its culture it will become another Islamist Sharia Law run country where women and gays arent safe.

No, that's not necessarily true. Why can't Israel just allow Arabs who don't support sharia law into their country? We have 3.35 million Muslims in our country, and how many terror attacks and hate crimes and sharia law zones do we see here?

#5) Yes, it speaks of how insane you are. dino likely means because it ensures Jews don't live in those states

Yes. I also said "Most Arab states are fine with Israel as a Jewish state because they don't want Jews in their country, lmao."

You're insane. I say something that you agree with and you call me delusional.

Palestinian was not called that until 1967 and the Jews offered peace and to live with Egyptians and Jordanians, who instead left and then attacked Israel in the 1967 war. Israel won and took the land. Imagine if I told you and two friends, hey we have a four bedroom apt. I'll take one room and you three (Egypt, Syria and Jordan) have the other. You three tell me to F off and then try to beat me up. I kick your ***** and take all four rooms. A friend of yours then hunkers down in the finished basement and says no, that is my house and we are Palestinians. That word was not uttered until 1967. I would laugh at you and kick you out of the basement too if not for the pesky landlord aka the UN....but you could have shared the house if you weren't such Jew hating people.

I don't know man, maybe you should educate yourself before opining on this matter.