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Also, you don't have to convince me on climate change. I am one of the few conservatives that believe it is real. I just don't think it is wise to throw our economy into turmoil to correct it. I believe that there are solutions to slow the process that don't lead to unnecessary financial burden. Every solution that comes from the left in Washington adds costs to producers and consumers.

I agree that there can be solutions but there cannot be until the government shows some initiative on the subject. Obama took a first step, trump is pulling us back 5. We need to show initiative and ignore big energy companies, and listen to scientists and solutions will come. We showed initiative on space travel and look how that turned out. If humans really make an effort to do something we can. But we need a Kennedy of the modern era to jump-start it.

Good solutions do not exist now. But the Koch brothers prevent us from finding some.

THANK GOD you believe in climate change. I am very passionate on the subject and I would consider myself knowledgeable.

GM just announced they will have 20 different electric cars by 2023. Big business can do it without government intervention.

Everybody believes in climate change... We just don't all believe man impacts that change in a major way.

We need government intervention to solve the problem. And whether it is man made or not is irrelevant. We should still do something to stop it.

Lol. The government doesn't solve problems, they only make them bigger!!

How else are we going to solve this then.

I'm not sure what exactly needs to be solved? climate has always changed as far as we know, correct? So you want to stop it from changing?

Go back to the basics... teach people, educate them in school. Conservation is good should be the message... Not hand picking EVILS like coal is bad, oil is bad, etc.

Climate has always changed..... over a long period of time. The effects of this are too rapid and too obvious. In 20 years florida could be underwater.

This is what they said 20 years ago.

Exactly. It's another end of the world, doomsday scenario at this point... just like Y2K, the Mayan calendar, etc. We only have maybe 50-100 years of semi-reliable climate data. That's hardly a legit sample size considering how old the planet is. Current day 'models' still can't accurately predict things like the path of a hurricane... Yet many treat these models as scientific fact.

Except this one is, you know, backed up by 99% of scientists, unlike Y2K or Mayan calendar.

When they can tell me with certainty how the dinosaurs perished.... I'll be impressed with your 99% of scientists. Until then they're guessing with a planet that's much older than the dinosaurs, supposedly.

I don't understand your comparison here.

They have no substantial data to compare modern day 'global warming' to anything in the past.... The ice age, the Extinction of dinosaurs, etc. They are all guessing. So far every model they have has been wrong.

We have a comparison to venus. Measuring effects there shows what could happen to earth. And water levels ARE rising... We can see this.

How long have we been measuring results and accumulating data on Venus and how old is that planet? Also, haven't water levels always been rising?

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&q=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&oq=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&gs_l=psy-ab.3...877.2932.0.3240.3.3.0.0.0.0.165.463.0j3.3.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.poKRSPNmDCA
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&oq=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2267.2267.0.2548.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.WvdZj-1MKPE#imgrc=JpeAQhRruAQLuM:

I don't need a bunch of propaganda articles....

Simply show me the climate change data for each century on Earth, or Venus, dating back 1000 years. No guesses, only actual data.

Of course we dont have that... Because science is guessing. The big bang is a guess. Plate tectonics is a guess.

And I would hardly consider nasa or either of the other websites to be propaganda.. Unless propaganda is anyone disagreeing with you?

We believe that Venus used to have water. Now, greenhouse gases have made it a hot hellhold. Over millions of years, these effects took place. However, on earth these effects seem to be more rapid than what we may expect from something natural. So we see the same effects, just sooner, which implies that humans have something to di with it.

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This is why school choice is so important. The ability to go to a neighboring public school district or a tax voucher for a private school is crucial. I understand the shortcomings of this that the left presents, such as even fewer resources for the remaining students and a lack of transportation for the low income families, but I don't see many other options to allow kids to go to good schools whose families can't afford to pack up and move to better school districts.

once again, the real problems are two-fold and neither have to do with public education. Social welfare has to be reigned in and men need to step up and take responsibility and raise and provide for their kids.

How do low income families get resources? Through education and welfare programs, ideally.

Education, yes. Welfare, definitely not. Employment opportunity is a much better option. This is the one area that I think Trump will do a phenomenal job: creating an economic environment that promotes job growth.

once again, welfare deincentivizes ambition.

The problem with any social program is that it promotes laziness. This is why socialism, while great in theory, doesn't work. A teacher at the HS that I attended ran an experiment with one of his classes. He took the class average on the first test and gave everyone in the class the same grade. The class average was a "B". He did the same with the second. The class average was a "c". By the third test, the class average was a "F". The achievers had gotten tired of carrying the bottom half, so they quit working hard. Society works the same way.

Dump is the earliest Lame Duck in history. Desperate for a "win" of any kind, he begs Chucky Schumer for help on health care.

Schumer's response? "Repeal? Take a hike, Tiny Hands"

Kim Jong Un promotes sister to North Korea's ruling politburo

Sounds like the Trump Crime Family Syndicate

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Also, you don't have to convince me on climate change. I am one of the few conservatives that believe it is real. I just don't think it is wise to throw our economy into turmoil to correct it. I believe that there are solutions to slow the process that don't lead to unnecessary financial burden. Every solution that comes from the left in Washington adds costs to producers and consumers.

I agree that there can be solutions but there cannot be until the government shows some initiative on the subject. Obama took a first step, trump is pulling us back 5. We need to show initiative and ignore big energy companies, and listen to scientists and solutions will come. We showed initiative on space travel and look how that turned out. If humans really make an effort to do something we can. But we need a Kennedy of the modern era to jump-start it.

Good solutions do not exist now. But the Koch brothers prevent us from finding some.

THANK GOD you believe in climate change. I am very passionate on the subject and I would consider myself knowledgeable.

GM just announced they will have 20 different electric cars by 2023. Big business can do it without government intervention.

Everybody believes in climate change... We just don't all believe man impacts that change in a major way.

We need government intervention to solve the problem. And whether it is man made or not is irrelevant. We should still do something to stop it.

Lol. The government doesn't solve problems, they only make them bigger!!

How else are we going to solve this then.

I'm not sure what exactly needs to be solved? climate has always changed as far as we know, correct? So you want to stop it from changing?

Go back to the basics... teach people, educate them in school. Conservation is good should be the message... Not hand picking EVILS like coal is bad, oil is bad, etc.

Climate has always changed..... over a long period of time. The effects of this are too rapid and too obvious. In 20 years florida could be underwater.

This is what they said 20 years ago.

Exactly. It's another end of the world, doomsday scenario at this point... just like Y2K, the Mayan calendar, etc. We only have maybe 50-100 years of semi-reliable climate data. That's hardly a legit sample size considering how old the planet is. Current day 'models' still can't accurately predict things like the path of a hurricane... Yet many treat these models as scientific fact.

Except this one is, you know, backed up by 99% of scientists, unlike Y2K or Mayan calendar.

When they can tell me with certainty how the dinosaurs perished.... I'll be impressed with your 99% of scientists. Until then they're guessing with a planet that's much older than the dinosaurs, supposedly.

I don't understand your comparison here.

They have no substantial data to compare modern day 'global warming' to anything in the past.... The ice age, the Extinction of dinosaurs, etc. They are all guessing. So far every model they have has been wrong.

We have a comparison to venus. Measuring effects there shows what could happen to earth. And water levels ARE rising... We can see this.

Let's keep requoting this long-*** post!

This is a very long post.

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Also, you don't have to convince me on climate change. I am one of the few conservatives that believe it is real. I just don't think it is wise to throw our economy into turmoil to correct it. I believe that there are solutions to slow the process that don't lead to unnecessary financial burden. Every solution that comes from the left in Washington adds costs to producers and consumers.

I agree that there can be solutions but there cannot be until the government shows some initiative on the subject. Obama took a first step, trump is pulling us back 5. We need to show initiative and ignore big energy companies, and listen to scientists and solutions will come. We showed initiative on space travel and look how that turned out. If humans really make an effort to do something we can. But we need a Kennedy of the modern era to jump-start it.

Good solutions do not exist now. But the Koch brothers prevent us from finding some.

THANK GOD you believe in climate change. I am very passionate on the subject and I would consider myself knowledgeable.

GM just announced they will have 20 different electric cars by 2023. Big business can do it without government intervention.

Everybody believes in climate change... We just don't all believe man impacts that change in a major way.

We need government intervention to solve the problem. And whether it is man made or not is irrelevant. We should still do something to stop it.

Lol. The government doesn't solve problems, they only make them bigger!!

How else are we going to solve this then.

I'm not sure what exactly needs to be solved? climate has always changed as far as we know, correct? So you want to stop it from changing?

Go back to the basics... teach people, educate them in school. Conservation is good should be the message... Not hand picking EVILS like coal is bad, oil is bad, etc.

Climate has always changed..... over a long period of time. The effects of this are too rapid and too obvious. In 20 years florida could be underwater.

This is what they said 20 years ago.

Exactly. It's another end of the world, doomsday scenario at this point... just like Y2K, the Mayan calendar, etc. We only have maybe 50-100 years of semi-reliable climate data. That's hardly a legit sample size considering how old the planet is. Current day 'models' still can't accurately predict things like the path of a hurricane... Yet many treat these models as scientific fact.

Except this one is, you know, backed up by 99% of scientists, unlike Y2K or Mayan calendar.

When they can tell me with certainty how the dinosaurs perished.... I'll be impressed with your 99% of scientists. Until then they're guessing with a planet that's much older than the dinosaurs, supposedly.

I don't understand your comparison here.

They have no substantial data to compare modern day 'global warming' to anything in the past.... The ice age, the Extinction of dinosaurs, etc. They are all guessing. So far every model they have has been wrong.

We have a comparison to venus. Measuring effects there shows what could happen to earth. And water levels ARE rising... We can see this.

Let's keep requoting this long-*** post!

This is a very long post.

indeed

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Posted by strikeout26 on 10/7/2017 10:40:00 PM (view original):
This is why school choice is so important. The ability to go to a neighboring public school district or a tax voucher for a private school is crucial. I understand the shortcomings of this that the left presents, such as even fewer resources for the remaining students and a lack of transportation for the low income families, but I don't see many other options to allow kids to go to good schools whose families can't afford to pack up and move to better school districts.

once again, the real problems are two-fold and neither have to do with public education. Social welfare has to be reigned in and men need to step up and take responsibility and raise and provide for their kids.

How do low income families get resources? Through education and welfare programs, ideally.

Education, yes. Welfare, definitely not. Employment opportunity is a much better option. This is the one area that I think Trump will do a phenomenal job: creating an economic environment that promotes job growth.

once again, welfare deincentivizes ambition.

The problem with any social program is that it promotes laziness. This is why socialism, while great in theory, doesn't work. A teacher at the HS that I attended ran an experiment with one of his classes. He took the class average on the first test and gave everyone in the class the same grade. The class average was a "B". He did the same with the second. The class average was a "c". By the third test, the class average was a "F". The achievers had gotten tired of carrying the bottom half, so they quit working hard. Society works the same way.

I agree with that, that a person's drive to do something should be an indicator of success. What I meant by welfare was that it should give people in poverty the connections that they need to GET success. Not just resources to survive. People should be pushed to work hard to get out of poverty, and have the means to do so.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 10/5/2017 9:45:00 PM (view original):
Also, you don't have to convince me on climate change. I am one of the few conservatives that believe it is real. I just don't think it is wise to throw our economy into turmoil to correct it. I believe that there are solutions to slow the process that don't lead to unnecessary financial burden. Every solution that comes from the left in Washington adds costs to producers and consumers.

I agree that there can be solutions but there cannot be until the government shows some initiative on the subject. Obama took a first step, trump is pulling us back 5. We need to show initiative and ignore big energy companies, and listen to scientists and solutions will come. We showed initiative on space travel and look how that turned out. If humans really make an effort to do something we can. But we need a Kennedy of the modern era to jump-start it.

Good solutions do not exist now. But the Koch brothers prevent us from finding some.

THANK GOD you believe in climate change. I am very passionate on the subject and I would consider myself knowledgeable.

GM just announced they will have 20 different electric cars by 2023. Big business can do it without government intervention.

Everybody believes in climate change... We just don't all believe man impacts that change in a major way.

We need government intervention to solve the problem. And whether it is man made or not is irrelevant. We should still do something to stop it.

Lol. The government doesn't solve problems, they only make them bigger!!

How else are we going to solve this then.

I'm not sure what exactly needs to be solved? climate has always changed as far as we know, correct? So you want to stop it from changing?

Go back to the basics... teach people, educate them in school. Conservation is good should be the message... Not hand picking EVILS like coal is bad, oil is bad, etc.

Climate has always changed..... over a long period of time. The effects of this are too rapid and too obvious. In 20 years florida could be underwater.

This is what they said 20 years ago.

Exactly. It's another end of the world, doomsday scenario at this point... just like Y2K, the Mayan calendar, etc. We only have maybe 50-100 years of semi-reliable climate data. That's hardly a legit sample size considering how old the planet is. Current day 'models' still can't accurately predict things like the path of a hurricane... Yet many treat these models as scientific fact.

Except this one is, you know, backed up by 99% of scientists, unlike Y2K or Mayan calendar.

When they can tell me with certainty how the dinosaurs perished.... I'll be impressed with your 99% of scientists. Until then they're guessing with a planet that's much older than the dinosaurs, supposedly.

I don't understand your comparison here.

They have no substantial data to compare modern day 'global warming' to anything in the past.... The ice age, the Extinction of dinosaurs, etc. They are all guessing. So far every model they have has been wrong.

We have a comparison to venus. Measuring effects there shows what could happen to earth. And water levels ARE rising... We can see this.

How long have we been measuring results and accumulating data on Venus and how old is that planet? Also, haven't water levels always been rising?

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&q=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&oq=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&gs_l=psy-ab.3...877.2932.0.3240.3.3.0.0.0.0.165.463.0j3.3.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.poKRSPNmDCA
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&oq=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2267.2267.0.2548.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.WvdZj-1MKPE#imgrc=JpeAQhRruAQLuM:

I don't need a bunch of propaganda articles....

Simply show me the climate change data for each century on Earth, or Venus, dating back 1000 years. No guesses, only actual data.

Of course we dont have that... Because science is guessing. The big bang is a guess. Plate tectonics is a guess.

And I would hardly consider nasa or either of the other websites to be propaganda.. Unless propaganda is anyone disagreeing with you?

We believe that Venus used to have water. Now, greenhouse gases have made it a hot hellhold. Over millions of years, these effects took place. However, on earth these effects seem to be more rapid than what we may expect from something natural. So we see the same effects, just sooner, which implies that humans have something to di with it.

Words like 'guessing', 'we believe', and 'seem to be' in the same post don't exactly make me confident that your 'science' is even close to accurate.

Again, lots of science is guessing. We 'guess' about the big bang. We 'guess' about plate tectonics. We 'guess' about the weather. That's like not evacuating before a hurricane because 'scientists don't know for SURE if it will hit us!' Do you really want to take that chance?

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Posted by strikeout26 on 10/5/2017 9:45:00 PM (view original):
Also, you don't have to convince me on climate change. I am one of the few conservatives that believe it is real. I just don't think it is wise to throw our economy into turmoil to correct it. I believe that there are solutions to slow the process that don't lead to unnecessary financial burden. Every solution that comes from the left in Washington adds costs to producers and consumers.

I agree that there can be solutions but there cannot be until the government shows some initiative on the subject. Obama took a first step, trump is pulling us back 5. We need to show initiative and ignore big energy companies, and listen to scientists and solutions will come. We showed initiative on space travel and look how that turned out. If humans really make an effort to do something we can. But we need a Kennedy of the modern era to jump-start it.

Good solutions do not exist now. But the Koch brothers prevent us from finding some.

THANK GOD you believe in climate change. I am very passionate on the subject and I would consider myself knowledgeable.

GM just announced they will have 20 different electric cars by 2023. Big business can do it without government intervention.

Everybody believes in climate change... We just don't all believe man impacts that change in a major way.

We need government intervention to solve the problem. And whether it is man made or not is irrelevant. We should still do something to stop it.

Lol. The government doesn't solve problems, they only make them bigger!!

How else are we going to solve this then.

I'm not sure what exactly needs to be solved? climate has always changed as far as we know, correct? So you want to stop it from changing?

Go back to the basics... teach people, educate them in school. Conservation is good should be the message... Not hand picking EVILS like coal is bad, oil is bad, etc.

Climate has always changed..... over a long period of time. The effects of this are too rapid and too obvious. In 20 years florida could be underwater.

This is what they said 20 years ago.

Exactly. It's another end of the world, doomsday scenario at this point... just like Y2K, the Mayan calendar, etc. We only have maybe 50-100 years of semi-reliable climate data. That's hardly a legit sample size considering how old the planet is. Current day 'models' still can't accurately predict things like the path of a hurricane... Yet many treat these models as scientific fact.

Except this one is, you know, backed up by 99% of scientists, unlike Y2K or Mayan calendar.

When they can tell me with certainty how the dinosaurs perished.... I'll be impressed with your 99% of scientists. Until then they're guessing with a planet that's much older than the dinosaurs, supposedly.

I don't understand your comparison here.

They have no substantial data to compare modern day 'global warming' to anything in the past.... The ice age, the Extinction of dinosaurs, etc. They are all guessing. So far every model they have has been wrong.

We have a comparison to venus. Measuring effects there shows what could happen to earth. And water levels ARE rising... We can see this.

How long have we been measuring results and accumulating data on Venus and how old is that planet? Also, haven't water levels always been rising?

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&q=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&oq=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&gs_l=psy-ab.3...877.2932.0.3240.3.3.0.0.0.0.165.463.0j3.3.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.poKRSPNmDCA
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&oq=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2267.2267.0.2548.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.WvdZj-1MKPE#imgrc=JpeAQhRruAQLuM:

I don't need a bunch of propaganda articles....

Simply show me the climate change data for each century on Earth, or Venus, dating back 1000 years. No guesses, only actual data.

Of course we dont have that... Because science is guessing. The big bang is a guess. Plate tectonics is a guess.

And I would hardly consider nasa or either of the other websites to be propaganda.. Unless propaganda is anyone disagreeing with you?

We believe that Venus used to have water. Now, greenhouse gases have made it a hot hellhold. Over millions of years, these effects took place. However, on earth these effects seem to be more rapid than what we may expect from something natural. So we see the same effects, just sooner, which implies that humans have something to di with it.

Words like 'guessing', 'we believe', and 'seem to be' in the same post don't exactly make me confident that your 'science' is even close to accurate.

Again, lots of science is guessing. We 'guess' about the big bang. We 'guess' about plate tectonics. We 'guess' about the weather. That's like not evacuating before a hurricane because 'scientists don't know for SURE if it will hit us!' Do you really want to take that chance?

mayhaps

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Also, you don't have to convince me on climate change. I am one of the few conservatives that believe it is real. I just don't think it is wise to throw our economy into turmoil to correct it. I believe that there are solutions to slow the process that don't lead to unnecessary financial burden. Every solution that comes from the left in Washington adds costs to producers and consumers.

I agree that there can be solutions but there cannot be until the government shows some initiative on the subject. Obama took a first step, trump is pulling us back 5. We need to show initiative and ignore big energy companies, and listen to scientists and solutions will come. We showed initiative on space travel and look how that turned out. If humans really make an effort to do something we can. But we need a Kennedy of the modern era to jump-start it.

Good solutions do not exist now. But the Koch brothers prevent us from finding some.

THANK GOD you believe in climate change. I am very passionate on the subject and I would consider myself knowledgeable.

GM just announced they will have 20 different electric cars by 2023. Big business can do it without government intervention.

Everybody believes in climate change... We just don't all believe man impacts that change in a major way.

We need government intervention to solve the problem. And whether it is man made or not is irrelevant. We should still do something to stop it.

Lol. The government doesn't solve problems, they only make them bigger!!

How else are we going to solve this then.

I'm not sure what exactly needs to be solved? climate has always changed as far as we know, correct? So you want to stop it from changing?

Go back to the basics... teach people, educate them in school. Conservation is good should be the message... Not hand picking EVILS like coal is bad, oil is bad, etc.

Climate has always changed..... over a long period of time. The effects of this are too rapid and too obvious. In 20 years florida could be underwater.

This is what they said 20 years ago.

Exactly. It's another end of the world, doomsday scenario at this point... just like Y2K, the Mayan calendar, etc. We only have maybe 50-100 years of semi-reliable climate data. That's hardly a legit sample size considering how old the planet is. Current day 'models' still can't accurately predict things like the path of a hurricane... Yet many treat these models as scientific fact.

Except this one is, you know, backed up by 99% of scientists, unlike Y2K or Mayan calendar.

When they can tell me with certainty how the dinosaurs perished.... I'll be impressed with your 99% of scientists. Until then they're guessing with a planet that's much older than the dinosaurs, supposedly.

I don't understand your comparison here.

They have no substantial data to compare modern day 'global warming' to anything in the past.... The ice age, the Extinction of dinosaurs, etc. They are all guessing. So far every model they have has been wrong.

We have a comparison to venus. Measuring effects there shows what could happen to earth. And water levels ARE rising... We can see this.

How long have we been measuring results and accumulating data on Venus and how old is that planet? Also, haven't water levels always been rising?

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&q=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&oq=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&gs_l=psy-ab.3...877.2932.0.3240.3.3.0.0.0.0.165.463.0j3.3.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.poKRSPNmDCA
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&oq=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2267.2267.0.2548.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.WvdZj-1MKPE#imgrc=JpeAQhRruAQLuM:

I don't need a bunch of propaganda articles....

Simply show me the climate change data for each century on Earth, or Venus, dating back 1000 years. No guesses, only actual data.

Of course we dont have that... Because science is guessing. The big bang is a guess. Plate tectonics is a guess.

And I would hardly consider nasa or either of the other websites to be propaganda.. Unless propaganda is anyone disagreeing with you?

We believe that Venus used to have water. Now, greenhouse gases have made it a hot hellhold. Over millions of years, these effects took place. However, on earth these effects seem to be more rapid than what we may expect from something natural. So we see the same effects, just sooner, which implies that humans have something to di with it.

Words like 'guessing', 'we believe', and 'seem to be' in the same post don't exactly make me confident that your 'science' is even close to accurate.

Again, lots of science is guessing. We 'guess' about the big bang. We 'guess' about plate tectonics. We 'guess' about the weather. That's like not evacuating before a hurricane because 'scientists don't know for SURE if it will hit us!' Do you really want to take that chance?

mayhaps

I would not.

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Posted by strikeout26 on 10/5/2017 9:45:00 PM (view original):
Also, you don't have to convince me on climate change. I am one of the few conservatives that believe it is real. I just don't think it is wise to throw our economy into turmoil to correct it. I believe that there are solutions to slow the process that don't lead to unnecessary financial burden. Every solution that comes from the left in Washington adds costs to producers and consumers.

I agree that there can be solutions but there cannot be until the government shows some initiative on the subject. Obama took a first step, trump is pulling us back 5. We need to show initiative and ignore big energy companies, and listen to scientists and solutions will come. We showed initiative on space travel and look how that turned out. If humans really make an effort to do something we can. But we need a Kennedy of the modern era to jump-start it.

Good solutions do not exist now. But the Koch brothers prevent us from finding some.

THANK GOD you believe in climate change. I am very passionate on the subject and I would consider myself knowledgeable.

GM just announced they will have 20 different electric cars by 2023. Big business can do it without government intervention.

Everybody believes in climate change... We just don't all believe man impacts that change in a major way.

We need government intervention to solve the problem. And whether it is man made or not is irrelevant. We should still do something to stop it.

Lol. The government doesn't solve problems, they only make them bigger!!

How else are we going to solve this then.

I'm not sure what exactly needs to be solved? climate has always changed as far as we know, correct? So you want to stop it from changing?

Go back to the basics... teach people, educate them in school. Conservation is good should be the message... Not hand picking EVILS like coal is bad, oil is bad, etc.

Climate has always changed..... over a long period of time. The effects of this are too rapid and too obvious. In 20 years florida could be underwater.

This is what they said 20 years ago.

Exactly. It's another end of the world, doomsday scenario at this point... just like Y2K, the Mayan calendar, etc. We only have maybe 50-100 years of semi-reliable climate data. That's hardly a legit sample size considering how old the planet is. Current day 'models' still can't accurately predict things like the path of a hurricane... Yet many treat these models as scientific fact.

Except this one is, you know, backed up by 99% of scientists, unlike Y2K or Mayan calendar.

When they can tell me with certainty how the dinosaurs perished.... I'll be impressed with your 99% of scientists. Until then they're guessing with a planet that's much older than the dinosaurs, supposedly.

I don't understand your comparison here.

They have no substantial data to compare modern day 'global warming' to anything in the past.... The ice age, the Extinction of dinosaurs, etc. They are all guessing. So far every model they have has been wrong.

We have a comparison to venus. Measuring effects there shows what could happen to earth. And water levels ARE rising... We can see this.

How long have we been measuring results and accumulating data on Venus and how old is that planet? Also, haven't water levels always been rising?

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-sea-level
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&q=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&oq=how+long+have+we+measured+climate+change+on+venus&gs_l=psy-ab.3...877.2932.0.3240.3.3.0.0.0.0.165.463.0j3.3.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.poKRSPNmDCA
https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&safe=strict&rlz=1C1RJGJ_enUS696US696&biw=1366&bih=662&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&oq=sea+water+level+over+time+chart&gs_l=psy-ab.3...2267.2267.0.2548.1.1.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0.WvdZj-1MKPE#imgrc=JpeAQhRruAQLuM:

I don't need a bunch of propaganda articles....

Simply show me the climate change data for each century on Earth, or Venus, dating back 1000 years. No guesses, only actual data.

Of course we dont have that... Because science is guessing. The big bang is a guess. Plate tectonics is a guess.

And I would hardly consider nasa or either of the other websites to be propaganda.. Unless propaganda is anyone disagreeing with you?

We believe that Venus used to have water. Now, greenhouse gases have made it a hot hellhold. Over millions of years, these effects took place. However, on earth these effects seem to be more rapid than what we may expect from something natural. So we see the same effects, just sooner, which implies that humans have something to di with it.

Words like 'guessing', 'we believe', and 'seem to be' in the same post don't exactly make me confident that your 'science' is even close to accurate.

Again, lots of science is guessing. We 'guess' about the big bang. We 'guess' about plate tectonics. We 'guess' about the weather. That's like not evacuating before a hurricane because 'scientists don't know for SURE if it will hit us!' Do you really want to take that chance?

mayhaps

I would not.

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