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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009

So why exactly are people not allowed to build on other people's arguments if someone else has alltready made a point they wanted to make? Its weak...if you have to make your points through others without adding anything new...that's weak. Zhawks has used his gang-up mentality quite a bit in this thread...go take a look. Is this some sort of "Marquis of Queensbury' rules where everyone has to independently make every single argument by themselves? I'm not letting someone else speak for me and misconstruing my statements. I think for myself, I don't need to run with the masses to defeat someone's argument...or at least try to.


YOu have several times latched onto posts by other people that you thought supported you, yet you seem to think noone else should have that privlidge. I'm just acknowledging the intelligence of those that have posted civilly and have understood (not necessarily agreed with) my premises...I've never once used a post and said, well isack said this for me so neener neener nee-ner....you guys can't say that you haven't done that...

I'm sorry, but that is a rather bizzare position to take. Why the hell should people have to repeat over an over again something that has been said ad nauseum just so you won't feel unfairly put-upon?
12/28/2009 10:45 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 12/28/2009colonel- I have a ? - are u saying team total ratings should determine rankings soley
no, I'm saying they should SOLELY be used to determine SOS in one of my 3 ranking systems that I have for HD. Wins and losses are still king, and I think that that's gotten lost in the miniutae of this thread.
12/28/2009 10:45 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009

So why exactly are people not allowed to build on other people's arguments if someone else has alltready made a point they wanted to make? Its weak...if you have to make your points through others without adding anything new...that's weak. Zhawks has used his gang-up mentality quite a bit in this thread...go take a look. Is this some sort of "Marquis of Queensbury' rules where everyone has to independently make every single argument by themselves? I'm not letting someone else speak for me and misconstruing my statements. I think for myself, I don't need to run with the masses to defeat someone's argument...or at least try to.


YOu have several times latched onto posts by other people that you thought supported you, yet you seem to think noone else should have that privlidge. I'm just acknowledging the intelligence of those that have posted civilly and have understood (not necessarily agreed with) my premises...I've never once used a post and said, well isack said this for me so neener neener nee-ner....you guys can't say that you haven't done that...

Lol, Yes I am the leader of the WIS HD Mafia. How'd ya figure that one out? This is comical.
12/28/2009 10:46 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009



No, I said a teams overall rating doesn't matter, I never said anything about a specific players ratings. Please do stop putting words in my mouth.
Do player ratings not make up the team ratings
A neighborhood has ten people in it. Their aggregate income is $1,000,000. One of them makes $910,000. The other nine make ten thousand apiece. Does an average of $100,000 adequately describe the neighborhood?




12/28/2009 10:47 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009
Yet again: If you have allready admitted that ratings alone cannot be used to accurately rate TEAMS Because that's just stupid...just ranking teams on rating alone means that you would have no reason to play the games....team with the highest rating is ranked #1 and that will never change. No one would EVER rank a team based on its ratings/perceived talent, ABSENT AND DEVOID OF WINS and LOSSES and the actual results of the season...no one, and I'm not either. how can they be used to accurately rate a team's SCHEDULE - which is itself composed of individual teams? Because they're 2 entirely different concepts. My SOS is rated on an individual team basis FWIW, not some conglomerate W-L record or average OTR rating of ALL opponents. Each game/opponent stands on its own.

12/28/2009 10:48 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By isack24 on 12/28/2009
All of this is entirely true. I didn't mean to imply that you hadn't given this thought or had done anything malicious. Your original post seemed to say imply that colonels flew off the handle at the zhawks' mere "pointing out" problems. Maybe I took that wrong, and maybe he did, I guess I don't have any idea. I simply know that zhawks doesn't always point things out in the nicest way.

There are saints here...you're one, oldresorter's another, weena was one, tropicana was one and there were a few others...furrynipps, metsmax/mamxet.

I haven't been one, zhawks hasn't, arssintheb hasn't...just wanted to put that out there.
12/28/2009 10:50 AM
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SO tropicana, who popped in and made an attack and popped out again, was a saint?
12/28/2009 10:52 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009
I gave the date and time of the quote, so anyone can look it up if they like for context.

Hilarious....any BOOB if they saw what you posted would ask "If you think otherwise than what?"...but you're telling me I should "look it up"...that's comedy gold.
12/28/2009 10:52 AM
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Well thanks, colonels. Not sure my girlfriend would agree, but I'll tell her someone thinks so!
12/28/2009 10:52 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009It doesn't matter how much or how little ratings play in your system. Ratings do not have a place in tournament seeding so even .1% ratings it too much
Unless you've been hired as seble's towel boy, you don't know this for certain...you don't program HD.
12/28/2009 10:53 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009

I gave the date and time of the quote, so anyone can look it up if they like for context.

Hilarious....any BOOB if they saw what you posted would ask "If you think otherwise than what?"...but you're telling me I should "look it up"...that's comedy gold
Its rather easy to look up, and if someone looks it up, then they can see the original in black and white, why do you have a problem with that?
12/28/2009 10:54 AM
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Saying "FOr context look at the original post" is n0t exactly being somehow 'unfair' to you.

12/28/2009 10:55 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 12/28/2009You said numerous times that dalt, lm2 and myself (among others) did not understand what you were saying. That is disrespectful and insulting our intelligence
Yet you made a post last page that still suggests you don't get entirely how I want to process my rankings. You get the OTR SOS process...nothing leads me to believe that you understand the ranking premises/processes after that, though I've attempted to tell you time and again.

Also, if you think you've earned or deserve my respect, you're incredibly delusional and full of yourself.
12/28/2009 10:56 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 12/28/2009
Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009

I gave the date and time of the quote, so anyone can look it up if they like for context.

Hilarious....any BOOB if they saw what you posted would ask "If you think otherwise than what?"...but you're telling me I should "look it up"...that's comedy gold


And I am a bad debater? At least I stay on topic.
12/28/2009 10:56 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By a_in_the_b on 12/28/2009I'm sorry, but that is a rather bizzare position to take. Why the hell should people have to repeat over an over again something that has been said ad nauseum Great question...why do I have to keep doing that? just so you won't feel unfairly put-upon?
12/28/2009 10:57 AM
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