I think I lean towards a more longer turnaround time also but I think it should be more than just conferences that can break out of their prestige ceiling.

As long as you give coaches the idea they are really building something over the long haul. Every good season is one more punch in the card. Hell, the seasons go pretty quick so I don't mind if it takes 20 seasons to get there, the longer the process, the more it means to finally get there. It would sure mean more than being one of a long line of coaches at an SEC/ACC/whatever school.

Quote: Originally Posted By Lizak on 1/29/2010
It's just ironic to me that WhatIf and Hoops Dynasty are the names for a place that really isn't about what ifs and doesn't really allow the great majority of coaching jobs to build a dynasty.

Well, it does, considering the majority of coaching jobs are in D2 and D3. It's only D1 that has restrictions. I don't really see the problem with D1 favoring BCS schools. As a new coach, I'd probably be turned off if I checked out the D1 rankings or NT field and saw a bunch of schools I've never heard off. By advertising the fact that they use real schools, I think some parallel to real life is expected by most people that check out this game. Without that, what's the point of using the real school names?

For coaches who prefer a more wide-open approach, perhaps they would be better off in D2 or D3, where the game supports that.

Just my opinion.

Quote: Originally Posted By Lizak on 1/29/2010
Sorry, trying to work and post on here at the same time doesn't lead to the best of responses. Especially, when I take too long in between and 10 messages hit the thread before I click Post.

It's just ironic to me that WhatIf and Hoops Dynasty are the names for a place that really isn't about what ifs and doesn't really allow the great majority of coaching jobs to build a dynasty.

I couldn't agree more the more WhatIf the better and there can be opportunity there for improvement.

I have shared my idea at least once in here but I think something along the lines of what I shared, like a Floating Baseline Prestige that takes into account the past 20 years of the WIS teams experiance + a bonus for Final Fours and National Titles in said world for any given team with a small portion for Real Life Baseline Prestige factored in could work as a solid mix.

I do think if that were to be done that you could use a mixture of Real Life Baseline and Floating Baseline in job hiring and Floating Basline would have to be used in the firing process too.

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/29/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By Lizak on 1/29/2010

Sorry, trying to work and post on here at the same time doesn't lead to the best of responses. Especially, when I take too long in between and 10 messages hit the thread before I click Post.

It's just ironic to me that WhatIf and Hoops Dynasty are the names for a place that really isn't about what ifs and doesn't really allow the great majority of coaching jobs to build a dynasty.

I couldn't agree more the more WhatIf the better and there can be opportunity there for improvement.

I have shared my idea at least once in here but I think something along the lines of what I shared, like a Floating Baseline Prestige that takes into account the past 20 years of the WIS teams experiance + a bonus for Final Fours and National Titles in said world for any given team with a small portion for Real Life Baseline Prestige factored in could work as a solid mix.

I do think if that were to be done that you could use a mixture of Real Life Baseline and Floating Baseline in job hiring and Floating Basline would have to be used in the firing process too.

Yeah. I dont understand why WIS wants the immovable baseline prestige. Especially when it's just an arbitrary date picked as the worlds were created. Some form of slowly morphing baseline prestige would be better.

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/29/2010

Quote: Originally posted by zhawks on 1/28/2010 Marquette in the Big 10 would make sense.

Actually ND makes more sense due to real life situations where they would possibly join the Big Ten, maybe only football but still the Big Ten none the less. I could never see a situation where the Warriors of Marquette would come to the Big Ten for anything. Not to mention the Big Ten wouldn't want them

And clearly since this is HD and not real life, basically none of that matters.

We were discussing ways to get more teams that should be in a power conference in one. Marquette is in Big 10 country and it would make sense for HD to have them there over the Horizion.

Quote: Originally Posted By cmthieme on 1/29/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By Lizak on 1/29/2010

It's just ironic to me that WhatIf and Hoops Dynasty are the names for a place that really isn't about what ifs and doesn't really allow the great majority of coaching jobs to build a dynasty.

Well, it does, considering the majority of coaching jobs are in D2 and D3. It's only D1 that has restrictions. I don't really see the problem with D1 favoring BCS schools. As a new coach, I'd probably be turned off if I checked out the D1 rankings or NT field and saw a bunch of schools I've never heard off. By advertising the fact that they use real schools, I think some parallel to real life is expected by most people that check out this game. Without that, what's the point of using the real school names?

For coaches who prefer a more wide-open approach, perhaps they would be better off in D2 or D3, where the game supports that.

Just my opinion.

I agree that would be an option and it's one I seriously considered in the past because the challenge is different there. But those divisions have so few humans, it really didn't appeal to me. I know there are some conferences with humans but there are a lot that have just 2 or 3 people playing (and multiple conferences with no humans) and you know they are all just hanging out until they can move up. D1 is where it's at for most people. The ones that are happy to have a team stay at D2, or D3 are definitely out there. That's why I've supported in another thread the idea of fewer D2, D3 worlds so the ones that existed had a higher concentration of humans.

So why not drop St. Johns from the Big East and plug in Marquette less changes then so you don't have coaches getting moved more than already needed.

Also, I am not to the D1 level yet about a year off or so but when I do get there I want the option to eventually get to a BCS school. Not saying I am good enough but I want the chance. They do need firings really high at A level schools. Any A baseline school should have their coach fired after 2 seasons of missing the NT.

Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 1/29/2010So why not drop St. Johns from the Big East and plug in Marquette less changes then so you don't have coaches getting moved more than already needed.

Also, I am not to the D1 level yet about a year off or so but when I do get there I want the option to eventually get to a BCS school. Not saying I am good enough but I want the chance. They do need firings really high at A level schools. Any A baseline school should have their coach fired after 2 seasons of missing the NT

It won't ever happen I don't think anyone expects it to nor should it. Just what could have been done differently when it was released.

Quote: Originally Posted By cappelgp on 1/28/2010Clemson (Allen) was awful before Kelby took over, they fell all the way to a C (granted, that required two consecutive years with 6 combined wins)

that was a tough rebuild!

I have Grand Canyon in Phelan(D2)..what is their baseline prestige?

All d2/d3 teams have the same baseline. Baseline only really affects d1.

thanks zhawkshow about drexel(d1 tark)?

so basically. any success is actually a MIRAGE if im not at a bcs school...that's sad, it's almost like a waste of time trying to build a dynasty that will never happen

Quote: Originally Posted By dellhops69 on 1/29/2010so basically. any success is actually a MIRAGE if im not at a bcs school...that's sad, it's almost like a waste of time trying to build a dynasty that will never happen

That is not 100% true at all, it is actually very off base. You can have much success at many different schools it is just harder to achieve and maintain prestige levels above a B+ at those schools.

but prestige affects recruiting zhawks..