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Quote: Originally Posted By plague on 11/19/2009

In general I think there was too many Home Runs. I don't think that its as bad as it appears. Most of these huge numbers are in a combination of unrealistic parks and by unrealistic owners in unrealistic worlds. I am stating there was a problem, I just don't want to see a over adjustement based on the high end home run numbers.

If a guy hits 90 home runs in Sante Fe in a world with poor owners that might be the equal of say 70 home runs at a realistic park in a world with quality owners, which would still be a problem, but the correction should not be as great as 90 Home Runs.



Ok now, Im getting what you are saying. I agree with it somewhat. I think a correction is needed. Too many players are hitting 60+ homers a season. I just think that the overall numbers need to be cutback on. It is possible that there might be an over-correction. I mean I know they test things before implementation usually, but until you get actual results from many different worlds and at least a couple seasons, I don't think they know exactly the actual results = desired results. I'm sure if there is a drastic problem they can, and most likely will, tweak things to get what they want.

Furthermore, my occupation has nothing to do with computers, but Im sure whatever change is made to the SIM engine will have an effect that trickles down to everyone by altering the influence of power on HRs. They stated they wanted to reduce upper end of HRs. Some people think they should reduce the HRs hit by stud sluggers, but leave everyone else as is. I just don't see how you do both (even if you wanted to). Its obvious that the change is affecting others (intentionally or unintentionally) and if that means minor leaguers can't hit 30 HRs anymore, then I see that as a positive change
11/19/2009 1:25 PM
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Read this article http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/how-many-home-runs/ maybe it will help you understand.
11/19/2009 2:42 PM
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I have neither the desire nor the attention span to read something of that length
11/19/2009 3:23 PM
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Basically, you're saying if normally great hitters have a down year in the current season, which also happens to be at a time when they modified HRs, then it could be purely coincidence and not necessarily due to the modification. It's possible, but it could also be possible that WIS went all Joe Morgan on us. Time will tell.
11/19/2009 3:32 PM
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To my knowledge, no worlds have completed an entire season since the update and it would take more than one season in one world to notice any trends.

In my world (Koufax), the HR leader has hit 27 HRs through 45 games. 3 more have 20+ through the same amount of games. It would seem so far (although still early in the season) that things haven't been over-corrected

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=620906

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1760560

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=770146

http://whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=2405255

All are hitting .290+ and most have pretty even BB/K ratios
11/19/2009 3:42 PM
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The one thing I have been watching is so far it seems my guys either hit for power. or they don't hit for power, and if they hit for power they all seem to be hitting home runs at similar rates whether they have a 70 power or a 99 power. I have 3 teams that started after the change was made and thats the one thing that is on my mind. I am not in that camp yet, but its close enough to have me keeping a eye on it.

11/19/2009 5:15 PM
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Nothing wrong with the home runs. It's just like steals, the players WIS creates.

WIS creates 100's of Rickey Henderson's and they tell us steals happen way to often. So they make a change (they don't take into account that sub par catchers are behind the plate at the time).

I understand the 40-99-32-32-50 guys hitting less home runs. But if WIS continues to create a bunch of Babe Ruth's 95-100-92-92-98 guys (and taking into account the bad pitchers and fatigue) home runs were going to be high and should be high.

With that being said, I could care less.
11/20/2009 5:27 AM
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The Robinson World single-season HR record, which has stood for 13 seasons, is going down this year despite playing the final 1/3+ of the season with "the steroid era over".
11/20/2009 1:02 PM
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Mark Sager in Ron Cey obliterated the previous single-season record of 74 (set in S1) with 85 homers in S13. He had ~60 when the update went into effect.

As the owner of Sager's team, I find his production to be a bit obscene. Guy is clearly an awesome, awesome hitter, but 85 homers in a mature league where there isn't a cadre of know-nothing owners throwing subpar pitching is unrealistic and needed to be fixed.
11/20/2009 4:37 PM
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Well in the last 10 games my power went up to 1.58 Homers per game. Down from the pre-Disaster days but up from the pathetic numbers of the games after the Disaster.

Considering that I focus on power my team should be hitting homers at a rate higher than most. I have dropped to 11th in the league in Homers. Last year with less power hitters I was 9th.
11/21/2009 9:39 PM
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swamp, your hitters are terrible. If you don't understand that after this thread, and you don't understand why your guys ABSOLUTELY. SHOULD. NOT. BE. HITTING. HOME. RUNS. then I cannot help you anymore, and no one else in this game can either.

Thread closed.
11/21/2009 10:31 PM
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Let me open it up for just a moment.

How can my players do well last year if they are horrible. My point is that suddenly my players are much worse.

They werent bad last year, or the year before. Dont make it sound like my players were horrible and I just noticed it now, The game changed in a very unfair and ill conceived way.
11/22/2009 1:14 AM
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Your players never should have been good. Now they really aren't. And that's good.
11/22/2009 2:04 AM
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My overalls ore ok, why should my players be bad?
11/22/2009 2:50 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By swamphawk22 on 11/22/2009
Let me open it up for just a moment.

How can my players do well last year if they are horrible. My point is that suddenly my players are much worse.

They werent bad last year, or the year before. Dont make it sound like my players were horrible and I just noticed it now, The game changed in a very unfair and ill conceived way.

no, your players have always been bad...since season 11 your team has lead the league in Outs/Plate Appearances (and continues to lead this year)...your offense has finished 21st, 29th, 31st, and 28th in runs scored during this period...that is not a recommended strategy for winning games...did you ever wonder why despite having all these "good" players putting up "good" numbers your team is never better than .500 during this period?...did this minor tweak to the engine tamp down the only area of relative strength of your offense? yes, but you weren't winning with your formula anyway
11/22/2009 9:13 AM
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