Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/15/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/15/2010

You can call me a cherry picker once you have accomplished this:

29	zhawks	35-0	12-0	14-0	9-0	16-0	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
28	zhawks	26-5	12-1	11-2	3-2	16-0	12	11	A+	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (2nd Round)
27	zhawks	28-4	12-0	11-3	5-1	16-0	5	4	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
26	zhawks	27-5	9-2	13-2	5-1	15-1	11	11	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (Sweet 16)
25	zhawks	33-2	11-1	13-1	9-0	14-2	1	3	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
24	zhawks	32-3	10-0	13-3	9-0	14-2	1	1	A+	Conf Champion CT Champion National Champion
23	zhawks	24-6	11-3	10-2	3-1	13-3		46	B	Conf Champion CT Champion NT (1st Round)
22	zhawks	18-13	8-5	7-6	3-2	9-7		69	B-	PI (2nd Round)
21	zhawks	16-12	10-4	6-6	0-2	11-5		64	B-	Conf Champion NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
20	zhawks	17-12	9-5	7-5	1-2	9-7		56	C+	NT At-large Bid NT (1st Round)
19	zhawks	9-19	4-8	4-10	1-1	4-12		178	C
18	Sim AI	8-20	5-10	2-9	1-1	6-10		255	C+

And this was where

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/15/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/15/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/15/2010
see other post - now of course lets go back to the point that launched this discussion of luck - colonel's view - my summary - that because it reflects luck there should not be dropdowns, which is not well supported if there is a modest amount of luck along with a lot of skill/knowledge/smarts

I agree with you here.

As for me wanting to see concrete D1, D2, and D3 lists, it probably will never happen...I just think it would eliminate some of the luck/randomness/guesswork of dropdowns while in turn making recruiting at all 3 levels more competitive because a lot more teams will be going after the same high profiled recruits, not waiting til day 3 or so to see who trickles down and who doesn't.

There is no luck. None. If a player tells you that you are a backup then you can get the player to consider you, assuming no battles. 100% of the time, without a doubt.

You show (yet again i might add) that you really don't know anything about HD.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/15/2010You were definitely a cherry picker in Phelan....Gustavus Adolphus year 1, A- prestige...you move up to D2 the next year, BYU, Hawaii coming off of an A- prestige. And D1 doesn't really matter here, because you don't have the pick of the litter per se like you do in D2 and D3...so yes you cherry picked in Phelan, the results show that

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/15/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/15/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/15/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/15/2010
see other post - now of course lets go back to the point that launched this discussion of luck - colonel's view - my summary - that because it reflects luck there should not be dropdowns, which is not well supported if there is a modest amount of luck along with a lot of skill/knowledge/smarts

I agree with you here.

As for me wanting to see concrete D1, D2, and D3 lists, it probably will never happen...I just think it would eliminate some of the luck/randomness/guesswork of dropdowns while in turn making recruiting at all 3 levels more competitive because a lot more teams will be going after the same high profiled recruits, not waiting til day 3 or so to see who trickles down and who doesn't.

There is no luck. None. If a player tells you that you are a backup then you can get the player to consider you, assuming no battles. 100% of the time, without a doubt.

You show (yet again i might add) that you really don't know anything about HD.

You look like a complete rube here, because metsmax admitted that there was and is in fact luck involved in the process

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/15/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/15/2010
You were definitely a cherry picker in Phelan....Gustavus Adolphus year 1, A- prestige...you move up to D2 the next year, BYU, Hawaii coming off of an A- prestige. And D1 doesn't really matter here, because you don't have the pick of the litter per se like you do in D2 and D3...so yes you cherry picked in Phelan, the results show that.

Actually, I handicapped myself by going to the Island. You wouldn't know tho, since you'd never try it

Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/15/2010
you are both correct - there is luck in that when coach Z identifies a dropdown he may or may not be best positioned to pursue that dropdown

if coach Q also pursues that dropdown, they both are unlucky - the luck is fog of war, uncertainty - and there is luck in WHEN the player drops down, whcih can affect tactics

colonel - once you experience this process - several times - these descriptions will likely make more sense



What I mean is that there is no luck if a player says that he is a backup you can sign him. Not every player 100% will drop but you can still sign them.

Quote: Originally Posted By metsmax on 1/15/2010
you are both correct - there is luck in that when coach Z identifies a dropdown he may or may not be best positioned to pursue that dropdown

if coach Q also pursues that dropdown, they both are unlucky - the luck is fog of war, uncertainty - and there is luck in WHEN the player drops down, whcih can affect tactics

colonel - once you experience this process - several times - these descriptions will likely make more sense



I don't disagree that there's skill involved in the process, better coaches are going to do things better and be more in tuned to pull/drop downs, you've said that and I've agreed. I intend on being here for a considerable amount of time, so hopefully I can grow into a decent coach in my own right and I'll better learn the ropes.

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/15/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/15/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By colonels19 on 1/15/2010
You were definitely a cherry picker in Phelan....Gustavus Adolphus year 1, A- prestige...you move up to D2 the next year, BYU, Hawaii coming off of an A- prestige. And D1 doesn't really matter here, because you don't have the pick of the litter per se like you do in D2 and D3...so yes you cherry picked in Phelan, the results show that.

Actually, I handicapped myself by going to the Island. You wouldn't know tho, since you'd never try it.

Yep, you poor bastard....nobody wanted that "Island" job coming off a national championship and A- prestige...what a death trap!

Also, from what I've learned on this site, people said recruiting distance only matters in the money you spend, and shockingly enough, given the fact that BYU-Hawaii just won the National championship, doesn't that mean that your recruiting budget grew considerably....hmmmm...again what a death trap!

Quote: Originally Posted By zhawks on 1/15/2010You try recruiting on the Island and tell me how easy it is. Heck I'd give you an A+ prestige even and I doubt you could do nearly as well as I did. It really really sucks. The difference between a B+ prestige (what I had) You had an A- and the next B is nothing at d2, maybe about as much of a bonus as being a favorite school