I must be the luckiest owner in all HBD for DITRs.

I think out of about 20 DITRs, I've gotten about 10 that became major-league prospects. They make great trade bait. Five of the guys I've dealt subsequently made the majors, at least for a cup of coffee.

This whole argument is stuffed to the gills with selection bias - people are seeing what they want to see, not what the actual results are.

DITR is most of the time a useless bump that turns a career A ball guy into a guy who reaches the upper minors. Sometimes, the guy gets a bump to fringe minor leaguer. Rarely, he gets a bump to useful major league role player. And very rarely, the guy gets a bump to ML regular / potential all-star.

And it should be different? Dozens of 14th round picks should become BL All-Stars every DITR?

Don't you think it should be rare? You know, since you don't do anything to get one and it's just random luck.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 3/13/2010
griv, please tell me why you keep ignoring the two All-Stars I presented to you?

They were 9th and 10th round picks who have both made 2 All-Star games.

If you could read and/or comprehend you would know why: I asked for a position player with regular playing ability and all - star potential - as administration advertises does exist. - you nominate the typical BUMs(Barely Useable MLers) - a RP with a durability less than 40 (major league but limited use) and a Catcher with a batting eye of 0(Zero) who may or may not be useful in the ML. You get ignored for the same reason I try to ignore Sen Harry Reid - you behave like a shill for administration and are usually off point.

IF color="#0000ccClarence" Richardson is truely a Ditr and meets his reported projections that would be the first player (though not a position player) that actually would fit the description of a true (uncommon) DITR and MAYBE the change that administration made will be enough - I doubt it but we will see

So we have to find All-Stars that fit your exact description?

Why?

It might be a bit of a stretch to classify Otto Jordan as a BUM. Best DiTR I have ever had or seen.

I know I'm jumping in late, but my .02:

1) I consider it a programming glitch that only RP's, C's, 1B's and DH's ever amount to being semi-legit MLers. This doesn't make much sense and should be altered somehow. The only reason it is what it is, is because under the current ratings system, these are the only positions capable of having a solid player with a 65 overall rating.

2) I don't believe that more 20th Round picks should become all-stars, but I think it would be great for the health of the game if some late 1st-3rd round picks turned out to be DiTR's on rare occasion, resulting in superstars being sprung from outside of the top 10 overall picks. To balance, there could be a 10-20% decrease of these "top" players being non-"DiTR's" and drafted high. Result: realistic, fun, and a smidgen of stick-it-to-the-tanker.

Quote: 1) I consider it a programming glitch that only RP's, C's, 1B's and DH's ever amount to being semi-legit MLers. This doesn't make much sense and should be altered somehow. The only reason it is what it is, is because under the current ratings system, these are the only positions capable of having a solid player with a 65 overall rating.

Is 65 overall the high end of consideration for DITRs? Has anyone seen a DITR that took someone who was already ticketed for the majors and made them a perennial all-star or HOFer?

I thought that the "ceiling" for DITR consideration was somewhere in the mid-50's OVR.

I have never seen a DITR that

a) was drafted in the first 5 rounds or
b) got > $1M as an IFA

So my current operating assumption is that any minor leaguer who doesn't fit these qualifications is eligible.

Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 3/13/2010
I have never seen a DITR that

a) was drafted in the first 5 rounds or
b) got > $1M as an IFA

So my current operating assumption is that any minor leaguer who doesn't fit these qualifications is eligible.

Benito Arias posted earlier in this thread, says otherwise (assuming he is a DITR like the OP said).

As does Jose Martin.

Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 3/13/2010I have never seen a DITR that

a) was drafted in the first 5 rounds or
b) got > $1M as an IFA

So my current operating assumption is that any minor leaguer who doesn't fit these qualifications is eligible

Jody Duvall. Fifth round pick.

Projects to 70 control, 71/84 splits, and 98/90/60 pitches.

sweet, i now have incentive to start signing my 3rd/4th/5th round picks.

Quote: Originally Posted By usfbully on 3/13/2010

Quote: Originally Posted By deanod on 3/13/2010
I have never seen a DITR that

a) was drafted in the first 5 rounds or
b) got > $1M as an IFA

So my current operating assumption is that any minor leaguer who doesn't fit these qualifications is eligible.

Benito Arias posted earlier in this thread, says otherwise (assuming he is a DITR like the OP said).

He was a DITR. Hard to imagine that a guy with his projections would fall to the middle fo the 2nd round.