Zero power rating never hitting a ITPHR Topic

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A kid. Or two. That's the point, Arlen 1.
9/28/2010 3:10 PM
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I just can't get over the fact that in 5000+ ABs a guy with 80+ speed/baserunning can hit 40+ triples and not one single inside-the-park HR.  My beef with CS is that they say there is a possibility that a zero power guy can hit an Inside-the-park HR (they even told me 1-2 a season) and I think they are wrong.  
9/28/2010 3:12 PM
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9/27/2010 10:19 AM bigal888
Can a guy with a zero power rating but 100 for speed and baserunning ratings ever hit an inside-the-park homerun?
9/27/2010 2:53 PM Customer Support
Yes, it's possible as there are inside the park homeruns in HBD.
9/27/2010 3:01 PM bigal888
Yes, I understand that inside-the-park homeruns exist. I have yet to see a guy with zero power hit one and I've seen it stated that a homerun is decided before what type of homerun it is. ie the engine decides first that the guy hit a homerun and then decides if it was a short/long/inside the park homerun - therefore a guy with zero power would never hit an inside the park homerun because he doesn't have the power to hit ANY homeruns.
9/27/2010 3:09 PM Customer Support
Alan,

What you are asking is possible. It would be about as common as any other type of ITPHR. One or two per world per season.
9/27/2010 3:16 PM bigal888
Do the power/speed/baserunning/ballpark ratings affect the rate at which a player could hit ITPHR? Or is it something that is decided based solely on statistics? (ie every homerun hit in a world has a 0.05% chance of being an ITPHR regardless of the player)
9/27/2010 3:31 PM Customer Support
Alan,

It has more to do with the ballpark, speed, and baserunning than any percent chance.
9/27/2010 4:55 PM bigal888
Thanks for the information. Out of curiosity, are you able to pull what percentage of 0 power rated guys have hit a ITPHR? And is it even possible for someone with a 0 power rating to hit a regular HR?
9/27/2010 5:04 PM bigal888
And to add to that, if it is possible, how often does it happen? In the forums, we are discussing this topic and another user has looked in his world and found 11 guys with 0 rating which in turn had a combined 45,000 AB's and none of them have hit a homerun.
9/28/2010 9:16 AM Customer Support
Alan,

No, we only track HRs we do not track HR type.

I'm not sure how often it happens. I would venture a guess and say that happens probably 2 or 3 times per season per world.
9/28/2010 9:20 AM bigal888
In the suggestions portion of the HBD forums we have a thread going about this topic with multiple examples of guys that have great speed/baserunning ratings, 0 power rating, 4000+ ABs and no HR. Could someone familiar with this topic check it out and maybe comment on what we are seeing? Thanks
9/28/2010 9:23 AM Customer Support
Alan,

If a player has zero power he isn't hitting the ball hard enough to get it into a gap or over the head of the outfielder. I would suspect that it is extremely rare for it to happen maybe 1 in 1,000,000,000 ABs. Like I said it is possible just extremely rare.
9/28/2010 9:28 AM bigal888
I guess the thing that confuses me then is why is a guy like this (http://www.whatifsports.com/HBD/Pages/Popups/PlayerProfile.aspx?pid=1830563) getting any triples then? If he doesn't have the power to get it over the head of an OF then how does he have the power to hit a triple? For a fast enough guy hitting a ITPHR is not a big leap from hitting a triple given the right conditions.
9/28/2010 9:33 AM bigal888
I know this is all just numbers being crunched somewhere an probabilities being calculated and not little guys playing out the games - is there any chance that the probability for a 0 power guy to hit a HR is set at zero and therefore it is making it impossible for him to hit an ITPHR? It sounds like there is no distinction in your engine for determining what type of HR is hit if you are unable to track ITPHR.
9/28/2010 10:40 AM Customer Support
Alan,

Even if a player has 0 power he can still hit a home run. If he has a chance to hit a home run then he also has a chance to hit an inside the park home run. The reason that you aren't seeing these player's hit home runs is because it is extremely unlikely for them to do so. If it is unlikely for them to hit one over the fence it is even more unlikely for the same exact player to hit an inside the park home run.
9/28/2010 10:44 AM bigal888
The longest any ML player has ever gone without a HR is around 1900 AB. In HBD there are multiple guys in the same league that have gone more than 4000+ AB without a HR. If there isn't an issue with zero power guys hitting HR, then is there an issue with too many zero power guys being generated? They don't seem to exist in real life.
9/28/2010 3:12 PM
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Well, evidently, MLB does break the cycle occassionally.
9/28/2010 3:14 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/28/2010 2:15:00 PM (view original):
I have a lack of 0 power players on my teams. 
Caught in a lie, you big, fat, lying liar:

Louis Winn
9/28/2010 3:17 PM
MikeT23
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He doubles as team mascot. 
9/28/2010 3:22 PM
tecwrg
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It's very sad that Arlen passed on this perfect opportunity to chime in with "See!  I've been saying all along there's not enough homers!"
9/28/2010 6:44 PM
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I think this means I was right?

9/29/2010 4:12 PM Customer Support
Alan,

We've reviewed the code and data and have made a minor adjustment to raise the floor a little bit. This will be out in the next update. You're not going to see guys with 0 power starting to hit a bunch of homers -- you're going to see them hit one a little more frequently than they currently do.

Thanks
9/29/2010 5:03 PM
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Sounds like they checked all the 0 power guys and found that none had ever hit a homer.  Now they'll be getting 4-10 jacks a year.  Thanks, bigal.
9/29/2010 5:09 PM
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Posted by MikeT23 on 9/29/2010 5:09:00 PM (view original):
Sounds like they checked all the 0 power guys and found that none had ever hit a homer.  Now they'll be getting 4-10 jacks a year.  Thanks, bigal.
not exactly what I wanted...my question wasn't even about regular HR's...I was interested more so in inside the park HR's and the idea that a zero power was making it impossible to hit an ITPHR.  I don't think a zero power guy should be hitting anything over the fence, but I do think every once in a while a really fast one is going to get lucky and hit an ITPHR.
9/29/2010 5:49 PM
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If 0 is supposed to be the 0th percentile and not absolute 0, then guys like Juan Pierre are your 0 power guys.  The guy's got 1 every 470 plate appearances.
9/29/2010 7:48 PM
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and I finally get the response I was looking for!  I basically asked if inside-the-park HR were a separate event from over the fence HR - apparently I was right all along and they weren't.

9/30/2010 10:00 AM Customer Support
Currently, they are not independent events. We understand your point and will address it in a future engine update.

Thank you.
9/30/2010 10:03 AM
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So chalk this up as the 2342349th time that the orignial CS response (to get you to go away) was a 100% incorrect and opposite answer from the truth, which you can only get to after banging your head into a wall with 'tard support for three days
9/30/2010 1:08 PM
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my favorite line which solidified my resolve that I wasn't dealing with someone who knew what they were talking about: "I would suspect that it is extremely rare for it to happen maybe 1 in 1,000,000,000 ABs"
9/30/2010 1:22 PM
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I've mentioned to them dozens of times that they should direct lowel level support to bump it up the ladder if they don't know rather than give an incorrect response.   It really reflects poorly on CS when this happens.

9/30/2010 1:33 PM
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