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tecwrg
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I love when guys with less than a half-season of experience come here and tell the rest of us, many of whom have been playing HBD since day 1, how the game is supposed to be played.
7/26/2012 2:44 PM
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Put it this way...if Gas Station A sells gas at $1.25 a liter, and Gas Station B across the street is at $1.28, I can fill up my tank at A but it is not my place to stop my next door neighbour from buying his gas at B, even though I don't feel he is getting good value.
7/26/2012 2:45 PM
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He's either a hammerhead, or a baiting alias. If he's the latter, I punch myself for being suckered.
7/26/2012 2:45 PM
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And who says I have only half a season of experience?  I used to play HBD a few years ago.  You have no idea how much experience I have.
7/26/2012 2:46 PM
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iI don't know if it applies in this trade, but it is a way to get around the no cash for players, no way crowd. At least enough of them that your trade will go through. Many of them think there is a big difference. One is fine, the other a crime when In principle,they are one and the same. Gotta do what works. Who knows, maybe this trade will show up again in a different dress, or maybe  enough owners have changed their mind and it will pass as it was proposed. The worst that could happen is it gets voted down again.
7/26/2012 2:46 PM
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Posted by shipoopi on 7/26/2012 2:46:00 PM (view original):
And who says I have only half a season of experience?  I used to play HBD a few years ago.  You have no idea how much experience I have.

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7/26/2012 2:48 PM
tecwrg
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So who did you used to be?
7/26/2012 2:48 PM
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Each argument you make gets more ridiculous, but increases the entertainment value so please keep them coming.
 
WIS expressly gives me the right to vote on trades, either to approve them or not. The only people who would equate that to trying to run their team are those who like to abuse the system and take advantage of friends and fools. You have every right to not veto anything, but that does not make you the ultimate source in deciding for everyone else what is and is not a valid reason to veto. Yeesh.
7/26/2012 2:51 PM
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Posted by AlCheez on 7/26/2012 1:56:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bwb53 on 7/26/2012 1:48:00 PM (view original):
How is it different? One guy gets 5m to spend on prospects, and one gets Shaw either way.the player contract is  worthless because the player is toast. Itisa  bad 5m contract so the player is not much.
If the contract in question is quite literally deadweight, then it would be basically the same, because all my conditions would be met.  And I'd probably veto that trade too.   Unless you're an idiot, you probably don't have a contract like that on your roster, you probably just have some guys who contributing to your team but are overpaid.  Which means the guy who was just giving up cash would actually be getting some additional value for his $5 million by taking on the contract instead - and the guy who was just giving up Shaw is now also giving up something else that has some value to his team.
Since the season is 1/3 the way over, it has to be 7.5m contract.  
7/26/2012 2:52 PM
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Posted by shipoopi on 7/26/2012 1:47:00 PM (view original):
In my opinion, it is ridiculous and extremely arrogant to veto a trade based on your own evaluation of a player's worth.  It is tantamount to telling the owners involved in the trade "You do not have the right to evaluate players for yourself, and because I have decided that player is not worth that amount it means you are wrong".  If a player makes a bad trade, they make a bad trade and it will bite them in the *** down the road.  It is NOT up to you to misuse your veto power to tell someone else they've evaluated a player wrong.  Vetos should only be used when a trade was clearly not negotiated in good faith (i.e. collusion, newbie fleecing).  This trade was negotiated in good faith between two owners who saw their own value in the deal.  And the owner who gave up the $5mil has said on the world chat that he saw value in Shaw, so who the eff are you to tell him that even though he paid the same amount to play as you did that he is not allowed to evaluate players his own way?  He's a vet, not like he's a rookie getting fleeced here.
Unless you know both owner personally, AND sat with them thru negotiation, you don't know the "faith" of the deal.  So all you can look at is content. 
7/26/2012 2:53 PM
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Posted by shipoopi on 7/26/2012 2:45:00 PM (view original):
Put it this way...if Gas Station A sells gas at $1.25 a liter, and Gas Station B across the street is at $1.28, I can fill up my tank at A but it is not my place to stop my next door neighbour from buying his gas at B, even though I don't feel he is getting good value.
Each argument you make gets more ridiculous

I rest my case
7/26/2012 2:53 PM
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Posted by Mark17Grace on 7/26/2012 2:01:00 PM (view original):
I think that the other issue people are having is that it is not against the rules to make a trade like this one. It is also a public league so there are no set rules against it. There have also been much greater lopsided trades in the world that haven't been vetoed. 

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Two bad trades doesn't make the world better than one bad trade.

7/26/2012 2:54 PM
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Posted by shipoopi on 7/26/2012 2:04:00 PM (view original):
But again...I say that it is not up to you to decide for another owner what is fair or unfair value to them.  Unless it is a rookie that you are saving from him or herself, it is up to them to decide what value they place upon it, and that is the right they acquire when they put their $25 in WIS' hands.
I too pay $25.  And WifS gave me the right to decide fair/unfair in a deal between two owners.
7/26/2012 2:55 PM
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Posted by shipoopi on 7/26/2012 2:45:00 PM (view original):
Put it this way...if Gas Station A sells gas at $1.25 a liter, and Gas Station B across the street is at $1.28, I can fill up my tank at A but it is not my place to stop my next door neighbour from buying his gas at B, even though I don't feel he is getting good value.
I'm not a fan of oranges, so remind me not to ask you for an apple.

You paying too much for gas has no impact on me.  You wrecking your team that plays in my league does.  And I would still see your point if all it took was 1 vote to scuttle a trade.
7/26/2012 2:56 PM
tecwrg
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shipoops = the moral compass of HBD
7/26/2012 2:58 PM
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