Posted by pajammies on 9/30/2015 1:04:00 PM (view original):
It seems the recent HBD updates have generated some good discussions and conversations on these boards lately, and I was curious to hear what other people think of the general state of the game right now.

I've been commissioner in one league (potentially soon to be two) for probably 6-7 seasons now, and have heard stories from the "good old days" when recruiting for fewer than 5 openings would take a day on the classifieds board. I would say my league has a great core of 15+ owners, but over my time there we've seen a huge variance in openings, usually around 4 or 6 but sometimes in double digits -- we're not one of the 'healthy' leagues, but at the same time we have never stayed unfilled long enough to discuss a merger or going public.

Still, filling between 4 and 10 openings now takes a TON of effort, and this is anecdotal, but I have NOT seen it get any easier. And it makes me think WIS has a real problem, and I'm curious if people think they are handling it appropriately.

IF HBD indeed has a shrinking player base, the nature of a 32-player game will necessarily result in more stagnant worlds, which results in slower roll-overs, which results in less revenue for WIS.

They appear to be trying to rectify this problem by simply attracting more players by updating the game and working on mobile features. I even had a response from CS that said something along the lines of, "We're hoping the latest updates to the game will result in an influx of new/returning players."

In worlds like mine, other than trying to recruit friends/post on the classifieds boards/lobby for owner swaps, WIS offers two other alternatives: hope their updates eventually attract more players, or work with another set of leagues on a merger.

All of these world-filling options are flat out BAD and in my opinion are contributing to the continued failing of HBD. The updates so far appear to have made building a team more luck-based, which makes success less predictable and is more interesting to patient, long-time owners, not new folks trying to learn a game. And mergers are only appealing to folks to have an attachment to their players; otherwise we would be seeing more leagues contracting and those owners readily taking new teams to fill stronger leagues.

I do think the long-term success of HBD is directly related to the quality of the game, so I can understand why WIS wants to primarily make updates/improvements to the game. However, I also think WIS needs to think about some short-term options to KEEP players playing their game -- whether it's offering incentives for weak leagues to disband and join stronger leagues, or allow owners to move to a new league and take an existing team with them. I think slow roll-overs and leagues that necessarily are 25% filled with temporary owners are doing way more to drive folks away than any flaw in the game itself.

Sorry for the ramble -- it's coming from a frustrated owner who works really hard to keep 20+ owners happy but has to spend months recruiting at the end of each season. Would love to hear some other thoughts/perspectives, and even tips to make my job easier!
mergers ARE NOT the way to go......I invested 35 seasons in Ott only to lose all the data of the past during a merger. Merger as a last resort ONLY!
11/5/2015 5:07 PM
My opinion is to drop the price a little. If you were just to manage 2 teams that would be maybe $150 per year barring wait time rollover. For me atleast thats alot of scratch.  $15-$16 range dollars seems more manageable so two teams would be closer to $90-$100 per year.  
11/6/2015 3:59 PM
$24.95 is such odd number.  I think society has a 'stigma' attached to $19.95, which may be one of the most attractive prices in the world.  I could see more people playing because "its under 20 bucks"
11/6/2015 4:18 PM
A four pack is $89.95 and with credits, it should be less than $20 a team. 

I won't go into why decreasing the price is a bad idea, I've been thru it hundreds of times, but there are many, many reasons. 

11/6/2015 4:57 PM
$89!!! For alot of us thats a boat load of cash at one time. Compare it to the fantasy sports market where you can have unlimited free teams.
11/6/2015 6:37 PM
I'll be the dick.   If $89 is a lot of money, perhaps you shouldn't be screwing around on a simsports site.

I've been a poor bastard.   My meals were chicken and rice, heavy on the rice for weeks if not months.    The last goddam thing on my mind was a simsports team,  Not that they existed back when I rode my dinosaur to school but you have to handle your business.   If $8 a month is hurting you financially, that's a Big Mac meal combo, this isn't for you.   Real life is knocking on your door, answer it.

11/6/2015 8:30 PM
Thanks for the advice. We are not in the best of shape but I really enjoy this game. If I keep one team we should be alright.
11/8/2015 9:03 PM
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