Well, that was interesting. I wasn't planning on Harden or Simmons, but they both fell to the point where I felt like I had to take them. I have usage spilling out of my jacket, but I felt like 07-08 Camby and 11-12 Ibaka were steps in the right direction in terms of getting low usage, high rebounding/defensive-minded players. I was strongly considering Holmes with the Ibaka pick, but I decided that I wanted the lower usage, higher O rebounding, better defense player at SF. I get that I'm taking shots away from Shaq by pairing him with Harden, but I'm hoping that will be somewhat offset by being so dynamic inside and out with those two scorers.

Our defense will be very stout (87.4 unweighted average), we'll be very good on the boards, good with assists, block a lot of shots. Our EFG% is lacking, but hopefully I'll remedy that a bit with my 6th round picks, and if nothing else, it'll be fun for me to watch. This is only my second year in this league, so it's still a learning experience.That said, I'm very pleased with what I have and I'll be excited to see what it can do (famous last words). I doubt the threesome of Shaq, Harden, Simmons has ever been used in this league. Not that that is a good thing necessarily, but I'm excited to see it happen. I'm still pretty new to this WIS stuff, so who knows...

Name	Team	Pos	Salary	Def	Usage%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	eFG%	2pt%#	3pt%#	Stl%	Blk%
Ben Simmons	19-20 76ers	PG	$5,824,639	90	20.9	5.8	17.1	26.5	58.1	57.2	28.4	2.6	0.9
James Harden	18-19 Rockets	SG	$9,037,977	76	40.5	2.3	16.5	25.2	54.1	51.8	36.6	2.4	1.1
Serge Ibaka	11-12 Thunder	PF	$5,462,960	100	15.7	12.4	16.9	2	53.6	53.6	50	0.8	7.6
Marcus Camby	07-08 Nuggets	C	$6,981,982	91	13.2	9	29.7	11.4	45.5	45.3	29.8	1.3	5.7
Shaquille O'Neal	99-00 Lakers	C	$9,938,313	80	31.2	11.4	23.3	11.9	57.4	57.6	0	0.5	4.4
TOTALS			$37,245,871	87.4	121.5	40.9	103.5	77

I'm looking at at least six players who really shouldn't still be available.

Those are the six guys I'm taking with my last three picks.

Player	Position	Usage%	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Tov%	Def	MPG
07-08 Chauncey Billups	PG	23.7	52.6	1.9	7.8	28.2	13.0	70	31
21-22 Brandon Clarke	SG	17.7	65.0	10.3	16.6	7.6	6.3	85	15
06-07 Shawn Marion	SF	19.5	56.1	6.6	21.1	5.2	8.8	89	37
Or	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
05-06 Shawn Marion	PF	22.3	56.0	8.1	22.2	5.1	7.7	78	40
71-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	C	29.1	57.6	12.2	21.9	10.7	11.8	73	44
21-22 Jarred Vanderbilt	SG	10.9	59.0	11.2	22.3	5.8	14.8	64	23

I am feeling really good about this team, it is extremely efficient. My favorite thing about it though is that it allows me to be extremely flexible with my last two picks in round 6. My needs can be met by a multitude of players who are still available. My Draft Board for round 6 is 14 players long and I am extremely confident at least two of them will still be available when I finally get to pick towards the end of round 6. I put on here two different version of Marion because which one I pick will depend who I get in round 6.

Harden & Simmons are TO machines. The other 3 guys will help in that area, but there will be games where those 2 guys will combine for 15 TOs.

Posted by milest on 7/18/2022 1:37:00 PM (view original):
Harden & Simmons are TO machines. The other 3 guys will help in that area, but there will be games where those 2 guys will combine for 15 TOs.

14.5% is a turnover machine? I mean, I understand that he'll get a lot just based on his absurd usage, but is 14.5% really that much higher than other top scorers or guys with 26% ast percentage? I actually thought that was better than average when I drafted Harden, but live and learn!

Mp	D	Name	Team	Pos	Usage%	2pt%#	3pt%#	eFG%	OReb%	DReb%	Ast%	Stl%	Blk%
45	90	Wilt Chamberlain	66-67 76ers	C	18.5	68.7	0.0	68.3	16.5	26.9	17.1	1.3	4.4
30	80	Bam Adebayo	20-21 Heat	C	23.7	56.1	24.7	57.1	7.2	21.0	19.9	1.6	1.7
26	52	Christian Wood	21-22 Rockets	SF	23.3	55.7	38.9	57.6	5.4	28.5	9.1	1.1	1.7
31	46	Kyle Lowry	17-18 Raptors	PG	21.7	46.6	39.7	55.3	2.8	15.0	25.1	1.5	0.4
26	77	Montrezl Harrell	18-19 Clippers	PF	23.5	61.4	17.6	61.7	8.9	15.9	8.8	1.4	2.7

15.5m to cover about 7k minutes and playing with the idea of playing Wood at SG

Posted by berkelon on 7/18/2022 2:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by milest on 7/18/2022 1:37:00 PM (view original):
Harden & Simmons are TO machines. The other 3 guys will help in that area, but there will be games where those 2 guys will combine for 15 TOs.

14.5% is a turnover machine? I mean, I understand that he'll get a lot just based on his absurd usage, but is 14.5% really that much higher than other top scorers? I actually thought that was better than average when I drafted Harden, but live and learn!

it just seems like a lot as a counting number because of the usage which to me is the real issue - at 40% how many shots are going to be left for the guys with the nicer efg?

Posted by copernicus on 7/18/2022 2:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by berkelon on 7/18/2022 2:02:00 PM (view original):

Posted by milest on 7/18/2022 1:37:00 PM (view original):
Harden & Simmons are TO machines. The other 3 guys will help in that area, but there will be games where those 2 guys will combine for 15 TOs.

14.5% is a turnover machine? I mean, I understand that he'll get a lot just based on his absurd usage, but is 14.5% really that much higher than other top scorers? I actually thought that was better than average when I drafted Harden, but live and learn!

it just seems like a lot as a counting number because of the usage which to me is the real issue - at 40% how many shots are going to be left for the guys with the nicer efg?

But how does it matter whether he turns it over or someone else does? Isn't his 14.5% still better than average/whoever I would have there if he didn't have such high usage? I get the issue with efficient shooting because of usage, but we were talking about TO's. To use a silly analogy, if you team only had one player, and he averaged 13 TO's per game, would he be considered a TO Machine? 13 TO's per game is high, but he would be doing a great job in terms of not turning the ball over. But maybe 14.5% is high and I just didn't realize. Again, I'm still fairly new to this...

for me it is not so much the turnovers, that was milest's issue - what I am saying is would you rather have Shaq at 57% efg take the shot or James at 54% efg

Posted by copernicus on 7/18/2022 2:25:00 PM (view original):
for me it is not so much the turnovers, that was milest's issue - what I am saying is would you rather have Shaq at 57% efg take the shot or James at 54% efg

Yes, I agree. A problem you will always have to some degree if you draft Harden, I would imagine...but I agree that it's a little iffy as a strat.

I thought Harden's TO% was higher, but 14.5% isn't average. The NBA avg is about 12.4% over the past 4 years. I understand that players with higher ast% usually have a higher TO%, but 14.5% is still quite a bit higher than many other PGs in this league (Steph, CP3, Kyrie, Lillard, Billups, Conley, etc). But you're right. 14.5% isn't 'THAT' bad for a guy with a 25+ ast%. But.... 14.5% @40% usage equals a lot of TOs in the WIS sim engine. And Simmons' TO% is 19+. It probably won't hurt you too bad. I was just being a smartass.

Take one off of LTB's list.

Posted by dontburnearl on 7/18/2022 3:47:00 PM (view original):
Take one off of LTB's list.

Yep.