It's a good team ash. You should feel good about it. You definitely got enough boards.

Posted by robusk on 8/25/2020 11:40:00 PM (view original):

Posted by ashamael on 8/25/2020 11:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by robusk on 8/25/2020 11:14:00 PM (view original):
;tldr: copy the dude who won last season

I mean, I am the one who gave him the recipe to make his batch of cookies, so I consider the first go-round my championship, too!

Oh yeah, if you didn't like the joke I was prepared to explain that you are the most copied owner on this site.

Oh yeah, I loved the joke! I made some variant of it myself during the draft a couple of times. I got waaaaay more boards than he did, but he was quite a bit more efficient than me. I'm better defensively up front; he was better defensively at the three.

I'll make no secret that I did absolutely analyze kinoa's team. I also analyzed Ben's team, dbkc's team, pex's team & dh's team (as well as my own to see wtf was wrong, which I figured out really, really quickly). One of the keys to my success over the years has been that I've always made a point to study teams that win. I think that if you ignore teams that win and only try to make something else work, well, you're doing yourself a disservice. Learn. From. Everything. It's too expensive to just depend on trial & error.

My strategy was take guys that were successful in Savage I early and then fit pieces to soften the flaws.

Olajuwon and Big O were on the MVP list of every league. Hakeem was in my mind a top 5 overall performer.
Paul George was sort of a no brainer pick where I was selecting and several of the top owners expressed interest, so I will take that as confirmation.
Walt Bellamy has been questioned, but he's here to play the minutes Olajuwon doesn't. That's top notch back up production.
Reggie Miller performed well for me in S1. I needed a solid 3 threat here and went with the known.
Anderson Varejao is a pretty identifiable asset. I actually had him 4th on my wish list for the round behind Korver, Peja, and Dalembert.
Dave Cowens doesn't get enough credit for what he can do. Clearly doesn't shoot it great but rebounds like crazy, defends, and doesn't need the ball.
Micheal Ray Richardson is an 8th round steal even if nobody else agrees with me.
Wesley Person fits just about right. Truth be told I would have taken Hield here if he wasn't taken with the pick before me.
Khris Middleton will get spot duty here and there. I kind of thought his 19-20 would look a little better, but he will be productive.
JJ Redick was taken because Hield was not. I always feel like you need one of these type of guys.
Bernard King won't see the floor much, but with his PP48, if we're struggling mid season, he will get a stretch where he will pile up points.

I don't have a title contender, but with the lineups constructed, I do have 1 team I think is pretty good, 2 I believe will be in the playoff hunt all season, and 2 that will need the luck of the draw to not sink entirely.

My strategy was, since I was picking exactly where pexetera was in Savage 1, to basically try to emulate what worked for him. I admittely stole D Rob from him in round one. Took Drummond (instead of Kemp). Took Brandan Wright. Basically tried to mirror his successful drafting from SVG 1. I feel pretty good about achieving much of it. Some different components, but pretty much the same team(s). We'll see.

I STILL feel badly about things I said to ashamael. Probably will all season. I'm usually not like that, and my anger at one specific person was very out of character.

trying to overturn the predictions that see me in tier 3 :-), here my strategy while drafting

Round 1) John Stockton: offers the great assist in the SIM together with nice EFG and good defense. Drafted him in order not to have to think about AST in future rounds and concentrate on other type of players; also , I wanted to create an assist heavy team

Round 2) Karl Anthony Towns: bearing in my mind my heavy AST team, I should have chosen Jokic instead, but since 19-20 season were not out, I preferred to go with KAT who had more minutes available. Chose him for great EFG, USD and DREB, although he is short on DEF

Round 3) Robert Parish: I needed another big with consistent minutes and REB. Probably the pairing with Towns gives me very good EFG but not elite rebounding for the position. DEF is subpar, considering he has only one 91 DEF season, therefore I started being a bit concerned about frontcourt defense

Round 4) Jrue Holiday: backing up Stockton and playing next to him, offering good D and USG rates

Round 5) Grant Hill: I realized afterwards probably this has been a mistake, as someone pointed out. I feared not having enough AST and DREB from the SF spot, therefore I drafted the guy who offered more. Planning anyway to play heavy minutes of him only in some season, this pick probably backfired me.

Round 6) Adrian Dantley: was looking for a scorer. He does not have great REB or AST number though. Probably playing him heavy minutes, I will be down in the REB battle. Planning therefore to use him on SG spot

Round 7 and Round 10) Mark Eaton and George T. Johnson: drafted them only for their DEF rating and BLK%. Will try to mix their playing time together with Parish and Towns in order to boost frontcourt defense.

Round 8) Terry Tyler: he will actually starts at SF on many teams since he offers decent REB rates and outstanding DEF

Round 9) Mike Miller: I went after him for his EFG and 3pt shooting, which I think was a lack of the team. Also, offers good DREB rate and AST rate (in some seasons), therefore despite horrible DEF I plan to play him quite a lot

Round 11) Dana Barros: I always loved his 94-95 season, he will start on that year. Using the other years for some sparing minutes off the bench covering Stockton

Round 12) Larry Smith: I thought I was actually very short on OREB, grabbed what was the best player available who was offering 5 seasons of consistency in that field

General conclusions: I probably missed on a couple of picks; will try to stay competitive and offer different looking teams in different leagues (one Heavy AST team, one team focused more on EFG, one team with Elite Defense and so on).

getting excited to get these teams into divisions so that I can complain how unfair it is that it broke the way it did.

Tar Ash Pex Mikee and dh in my world 1 division; calling it now. That is my prediction.

Round 5 - Kemba Walker. I wanted to finish my back court rotation here, as I thought there'd be ample SFs available the rest of the draft to piece something together, and I figured Kemba would be gone before he got back to me. If your guy's there, and you don't think he will be next time you're drafting, pull the trigger. He's the perfect rotation piece with Kyrie; similar usage, similar dimes, tons of threes, very few turnovers.

I was 100% taking Kemba there if you didn't, so consider him your revenge for my Glove Grab.
He would have been a lovely backup for Payton and Jesus for 5x over.

I removed the safety net on the 130AST%/140creb% team. #BaronDavisMVP

edit: 120creb% ^^^

Let’s get this thing going! Get those teams in, boys

1. Michael Jordan - I wanted to use him more than Dwight. Best pick? Maybe not. But perimeter defense (without a bunch of other flaws) is harder to find than post defense, in my opinion, so I was glad to lock up 3000+ minutes of a 90+ perimeter defender. Plus relatively efficient, Tier 1 usage. Note: post defense would prove more of an issue than I thought.

2. Shawn Marion - I wanted to ensure I had a SF who could shoot threes given MJ's weakness in that regard (in most seasons). I also wanted good D. I got that here in one package. But Marion can't guard the 5, so I was putting myself in trouble with defense at the 5. I also considered Hassan Whiteside and maybe should have picked him here. As I said here, I think Marion is good value here, but there were plenty of solid wings available later.

3. Pau Gasol - I wanted him in the first iteration. I was glad to see him fall. I think he's good value in the late third. Great 2nd/3rd scorer, good assists, very low towels. Not sure he was a great fit here, though, because it locked me in to decent to solid defense (50-71) for a lot more post minutes and gave away some of the rebounding advantage I had from Jordan and Marion as the wings.

4. Brent Barry - I waited too long on PG last draft. Wasn't going to make that mistake again. I needed a PG with plenty of threes, good efg%, low usage, and solid assists. Barry fit the bill perfectly. I later realized that some of his seasons would leave me a little shorter on assists than I preferred, though.

5. Paul Millsap - some people may think this pick was a reach. But he was a perfect fit for my team and, in my opinion, a critical pick. He allowed me to back up Gasol and Marion with a single player; one who could allow Marion to slide to the 4, at least in part, in the seasons where he's only 98% at the 3. He also provides, at least in some seasons, much-needed post defense. Not a spectacular skill set overall, but solid assists (sometimes over 10%), efficiency, and in some seasons a solid number of threes.

6. Wes Unseld - great value in the 7th last time; still great value in the 5th here. Gave me everything I needed - big boards, clean, better than average assists for a post - with the exception of good defense.

7. Jon Barry - a perfect fit behind his brother. Good efg%, solid assists, not terrible defense. I also considered Darren Collison but gave the edge to Jon Barry based on better efg% and rebounding.

8. Kyle O'Quinn - my second repeat pick from season 1. A great backup for Unseld who brings boards, passing, and D. In hindsight, I probably should have broken ash's heart and taken Ray. I thought I needed O'Quinn's better defense, but I probably should've taken Ray's superior boards at the expense of some defense. But not a big deal.

9. Carmelo Anthony - a backup for MJ. There were guys out there with better individual seasons to backup MJ (we'll get to those) but Melo gave me the security of knowing I would have a credible backup to MJ, with reasonable efficiency and comparable usage, in all 5 seasons. In the end I think he's only going to be backing up MJ in 2-3 seasons.

10. Gordon Hayward - great 19-20 season, and solid 18-19, that will get some run at the 3, displacing some Marion/Millsap minutes. Another season with 27% usage that will backup MJ on a team that has more usage around MJ. Another season that may play a few minutes at the 2 when MJ is playing the 1. Great package in the 10th.

11. TJ McConnell - I needed a few more PG minutes on a couple teams. But McConnell is good enough that he'll supplant Jon Barry on a couple teams as the primary backup (may even start). Surprised he was still here.

12. D'angelo Russell - with the addition of his 1300-minute 2019-20 partial season, that gave him two excellent seasons to back up MJ with 30%+ usage (along with 18-19). I also considered picking another short-minute post here to fill in a few hundred board lord minutes behind Unseld in one season, but thought this was a better use of the pick. Means Gasol will play about 5 mpg of center on one team, which is not ideal for rebounding but not a huge deal.

Overall summary: too much "pretty good," not enough "great." Likely recipe for a similar finish as compared to last year. But this team has fewer holes than last year's team, so maybe I have more upside than I think.

I want to do one of these, but I don’t want any more conflict. Doesn’t matter what I say, all right? I had a plan and I executed it. If you don’t like it, be glad it’s not your plan. cool?

Tar what are the starting lineups looking like?

This is what I ended up at:

Team	White	Rust	Green	Gold	Blue
Minutes	19675	19676	19680	19680	19680
Starting Lineup #s	106	107	107	107	102
eFG%	53.5%	54.8%	55.7%	54.8%	56.2%
OREB%	32.3%	40.0%	35.7%	34.6%	34.2%
DREB%	86.2%	99.7%	94.0%	86.8%	92.1%
CREB%	118.5%	139.7%	129.7%	121.4%	126.3%
AST%	80.7%	65.5%	72.5%	71.4%	71.5%
Defense	65	64	73	66	74
Minutes Adjusted Team #s
Min Adj Cum Usg	105%	108%	106%	104%	107%
Usage Points	13.4	17.1	14.8	14.2	13.7
Team eFG%	53.3%	54.6%	55.4%	54.1%	55.0%
3PM	402	586	584	507	689
PER%	16%	22%	21%	20%	25%
MID%	39%	35%	36%	37%	35%
PNT%	46%	43%	43%	43%	41%
OREB%	33.3%	37.5%	34.2%	33.5%	32.5%
DREB%	86.6%	94.7%	87.7%	86.7%	86.0%
CREB%	119.9%	132.2%	121.8%	120.3%	118.6%
AST%	65.1%	62.7%	71.7%	58.1%	64.7%
TO%	14.4%	14.5%	14.9%	14.4%	15.4%
STL%	1.6%	1.3%	1.4%	1.3%	1.6%
BLK%	1.6%	2.1%	2.1%	2.1%	2.1%
Defense	61	60	67	64	69
F/G	18.42	18.89	20.20	22.23	17.92