Quote: Originally posted by coach_billyg on 12/30/2009i also wanted to say to those who are saying it is black and white, that furry is cheating, that i think you should step back and consider the greater picture.

for example, for a while, promises were unrestricted. you could exploit this to do incredibly nasty things in recruiting, incredibly cut throat, i ****** a couple people off bad enough to receive near death threats.

i never saw other people using promises in such a viscous way, maybe some did, i don't know. but it was a huge advantage when i wanted it to be, and most people were unaware or did not partake. was it a loophole? CS came out and changed it several months later, i half wonder if my actions contributed. it obviously was not how the game SHOULD be if the game was made perfect, it was obvious then, and even more so now that CS has changed it. but was i cheating? i sure don't think so. i was taking advantage of the tools and strategies available to me.

i would like someone to calls things black and white on the redshirt glitch to show me the black and white answer in my case, and if you come up with a different answer than to the redshirt glitch, how you can justify that.

Quote: Originally posted by coach_billyg on 12/30/2009along those lines, that is also why i am in favor of an open door policy regarding the existence of pulldowns and whatnot. when i started the game, i read one post on the forums that clued me in, and by 2nd season could already out recruit any coach who was not aware, by a wide margin, even with a c+ prestige. and that was most coaches, i believe. it is just absolutely ridiculous to me that some people try to keep that kind of stuff hush hush (not as ridiculous as those who rush screaming to meet those who speak out, with CS quotes to prove them wrong, despite having never tried themselves, but ridiculous all the same). i feel the underlying mechanics, the basic options you have, are not something would should hide. mostly, it screws the new guys, which is pretty horrible for the game. that is why i don't understand the hundred times (literally) someone posted something about a fairly fundamental mechanism, only to have a couple people chime in, "hush hush"

Quote: Originally posted by mlatsko1 on 12/31/2009It's disappointing to see that such a successful coach cheated his way to many titles.

Quote: Originally Posted By bvb24 on 12/31/2009

Quote: Originally posted by coach_billyg on 12/30/2009 i also wanted to say to those who are saying it is black and white, that furry is cheating, that i think you should step back and consider the greater picture.

for example, for a while, promises were unrestricted. you could exploit this to do incredibly nasty things in recruiting, incredibly cut throat, i ****** a couple people off bad enough to receive near death threats.

i never saw other people using promises in such a viscous way, maybe some did, i don't know. but it was a huge advantage when i wanted it to be, and most people were unaware or did not partake. was it a loophole? CS came out and changed it several months later, i half wonder if my actions contributed. it obviously was not how the game SHOULD be if the game was made perfect, it was obvious then, and even more so now that CS has changed it. but was i cheating? i sure don't think so. i was taking advantage of the tools and strategies available to me.

i would like someone to calls things black and white on the redshirt glitch to show me the black and white answer in my case, and if you come up with a different answer than to the redshirt glitch, how you can justify that.

Most people play this as a basketball sim. Could a coach in the NCAA apply, pull and apply redshirts during the year

Quote: Originally posted by _hannibal_ on 12/31/2009

Quote: Originally posted by coach_billyg on 12/30/2009along those lines, that is also why i am in favor of an open door policy regarding the existence of pulldowns and whatnot. when i started the game, i read one post on the forums that clued me in, and by 2nd season could already out recruit any coach who was not aware, by a wide margin, even with a c+ prestige. and that was most coaches, i believe. it is just absolutely ridiculous to me that some people try to keep that kind of stuff hush hush (not as ridiculous as those who rush screaming to meet those who speak out, with CS quotes to prove them wrong, despite having never tried themselves, but ridiculous all the same). i feel the underlying mechanics, the basic options you have, are not something would should hide. mostly, it screws the new guys, which is pretty horrible for the game. that is why i don't understand the hundred times (literally) someone posted something about a fairly fundamental mechanism, only to have a couple people chime in, "hush hush"

The pulldown thing really irks me. It took over twenty seasons (I have one other username) before I learned about them. So I was recruiting with one hand tied behind my back. Then there is the company line about them being part of the game -- if so why aren't they mentioned in any of the documentation?

Anyway, on a completely different note, I don't think the changes as stated really close the loophole. It just makes the strategy more risky. Let's break it down:

> Players who were promised minutes or a starting spot will always be angry now if a coach redshirts them.

So the probability of a WE drop was changed from ~80-90% to 100%. People using the strategy were expecting WE drops anyway.

> Also, redshirted players will now be included in the pool of players who may complain if they're not getting their promised minutes/starting spot.

This is better, but still, what percentage of players who complain end up transferring? Not a high percentage.

If you really want to close the loophole you need to make the odds that the player will transfer much higher. Perhaps even have players who were promised minutes/starts quit immediately when redshirted.

Quote: Originally posted by _hannibal_ on 12/31/2009

Quote: Originally posted by coach_billyg on 12/30/2009along those lines, that is also why i am in favor of an open door policy regarding the existence of pulldowns and whatnot. when i started the game, i read one post on the forums that clued me in, and by 2nd season could already out recruit any coach who was not aware, by a wide margin, even with a c+ prestige. and that was most coaches, i believe. it is just absolutely ridiculous to me that some people try to keep that kind of stuff hush hush (not as ridiculous as those who rush screaming to meet those who speak out, with CS quotes to prove them wrong, despite having never tried themselves, but ridiculous all the same). i feel the underlying mechanics, the basic options you have, are not something would should hide. mostly, it screws the new guys, which is pretty horrible for the game. that is why i don't understand the hundred times (literally) someone posted something about a fairly fundamental mechanism, only to have a couple people chime in, "hush hush"

The pulldown thing really irks me. It took over twenty seasons (I have one other username) before I learned about them. So I was recruiting with one hand tied behind my back. Then there is the company line about them being part of the game -- if so why aren't they mentioned in any of the documentation?

Anyway, on a completely different note, I don't think the changes as stated really close the loophole. It just makes the strategy more risky. Let's break it down:

> Players who were promised minutes or a starting spot will always be angry now if a coach redshirts them.

So the probability of a WE drop was changed from ~80-90% to 100%. People using the strategy were expecting WE drops anyway.

> Also, redshirted players will now be included in the pool of players who may complain if they're not getting their promised minutes/starting spot.

This is better, but still, what percentage of players who complain end up transferring? Not a high percentage.

If you really want to close the loophole you need to make the odds that the player will transfer much higher. Perhaps even have players who were promised minutes/starts quit immediately when redshirted.

Quote: Originally Posted By oldresorter on 12/31/2009
me confused. But if anyone is interested, maybe I will share the 'booster gift to upperclassman' option - which allows the coach to keep 900 level juniors from going EE.

Happy new year everyone!