The Press Was Always A Glitch Topic

Quote: Originally posted by namshub on 5/29/2010a very easy fix might be to force teams who run the press to run it in a combo D.  so you pick up full court and then have to drop into one of the other base defenses.  that way you would have to practice two D's and there would no longer be a straight FCP.  seems simple enough.  just notify that the change will be made a season in advance so teams only practicing the press have an opportunity to start practicing another D. 

I understood that the combos only that was a long term goal, along with the fastbreak being a combo type offense.
5/29/2010 10:45 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By cheeznsweet on 5/29/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 5/29/2010
if someone gave you an apple you'd probably call it an orange, since heck, they're both fruit.
<popcorn>

BTW, this is such an awesome exchange - mostly because I'm in C-USA Phelan with both Vandy and cthomas. This could be an epic season.

cheeznsweet: You *don’t* have to answer that question!
Vandy: I'll answer the question!
[to cthomas]
Vandy: You want answers?
cthomas: I think I'm entitled.
Vandy: *You want answers?*
cthomas: *I want the truth!*
Vandy: *You can’t handle the truth!*
[pauses]
Vandy: Son, we play HD in a world that has open teams, and those teams need to have coaches. Whose gonna do it? You? You, nbstowman? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the press, and you curse Seble. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That the presses death, while tragic, probably improved the game as a whole. And the fact that I have two teams in the same division in the same world, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, makes WIS more money and makes the game better for everyone. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me to coach that 2nd team, you need me to coach that 2nd team. We use words like principles, fairness, and guidelines. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent building teams that don't run FCP. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who runs the FCP and then questions the manner in which I run my teams. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up another team, and stop running the FCP. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think about me.
cthomas: Do you own two teams in the same division in the same world?
Vandy: I coach the teams I...
cthomas: *Do you own two teams in the same division in the same world?*
Vandy: *You’re Goddamned right I do!*




Best post ever.
5/29/2010 11:09 PM
I'd like it better if it didn't quote from the most overrated movie of all time.
5/30/2010 1:26 AM
playing a slowdown i had 34 TOs against the press today. the demise of the press has been ridiculously exaggerated, i couldnt name the last time i had that many TOs in a game.

in my other 2 d1 games this afternoon lost to inferior teams while having 20+ TOs in each game.

a pressing team in one of my conferences had 40+ FT to less than 10 FTs for their opponents in each of their exhibs.

the tweak of 5/27 undid any good Seble intended. i said all along my future in HD was dependent on this new engine. if this isnt fixed this season i will start dropping teams very quickly, although im sure WIS will miss me a lot less than missing all the pressing coaches who im sure cried when the new engine was released.
5/30/2010 3:08 PM
I still think it handles the FCP much better than the last engine. In fact, I've been having a lot fewer issues playing against than I did before.
5/30/2010 3:34 PM
Agreed. Right now it looks to me that they have found a pretty good middle ground for the fcp. There is zero question that its effectiveness has been reduced from the old engine. Where they had it before 5/27 was a joke and borderline unplayable.
5/30/2010 4:29 PM
pre 5-27 tweaks i would have agreed, now the results im seeing are easily worse than the old engine
5/30/2010 4:30 PM
Vandy why don't you quit worrying about the press and how it plays and just try to get it out of the game.

It should only be a combo or check mark when setting up. Yes I want to press after made baskets or no, there should be no other option and it shouldn't have that huge of effect on the game unless you are a lot more athletic and faster as to make turnovers come your way, except for a tiny stamina factor to go with it. Same with the fast break offense.

To those who don't play the press out of "principle" I hope your that great in real life, remember this is a game. I mean do you ever go 1 MPH over the speed limit? What about not fully stopping at a stop sign? I would be more worried about following that before not pressing because of weird thought. Think of it this way, if you were actually in the NCAA and your team could run a Princeton style offense and put up 100+ against anyone would you not run it because your Yale? Same thing in my mind.
5/30/2010 11:19 PM
Vandy. . it really seems like any engine which doesn't make the press an immediate death sentence to the team using it is unacceptable to you. If its at all usable in any way you aren't happy.
5/30/2010 11:34 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 5/30/2010pre 5-27 tweaks i would have agreed, now the results im seeing are easily worse than the old engin
You and I must be looking at two different games. Pre-5/27, the press essentially was not viable. Right now, the points-per-shot given up by the press is still significantly worse than it was in previous seasons. If you don't see the press is still weakened from where it was in the old engine, I don't know what to tell you.
5/30/2010 11:38 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 5/30/2010I'd like it better if it didn't quote from the most overrated movie of all time
come on debbie downer
5/30/2010 11:45 PM
Quote: Originally Posted By dalter on 5/30/2010
Quote: Originally Posted By vandydave on 5/30/2010
pre 5-27 tweaks i would have agreed, now the results im seeing are easily worse than the old engine
You and I must be looking at two different games. Pre-5/27, the press essentially was not viable. Right now, the points-per-shot given up by the press is still significantly worse than it was in previous seasons. If you don't see the press is still weakened from where it was in the old engine, I don't know what to tell you.
i know i had a game yesterday where i gave up more TOs in a game than i probably have in years running the slowdown against the press, as well as two other games yesterday where my superior teams lost by 20+ to pressing teams. the points per shot may be better, but the turnovers seem to be worse.
5/31/2010 9:48 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By schroedess26 on 5/30/2010Vandy why don't you quit worrying about the press and how it plays and just try to get it out of the game.

It should only be a combo or check mark when setting up. Yes I want to press after made baskets or no, there should be no other option and it shouldn't have that huge of effect on the game unless you are a lot more athletic and faster as to make turnovers come your way, except for a tiny stamina factor to go with it. Same with the fast break offense.

To those who don't play the press out of "principle" I hope your that great in real life, remember this is a game. I mean do you ever go 1 MPH over the speed limit? What about not fully stopping at a stop sign? I would be more worried about following that before not pressing because of weird thought. Think of it this way, if you were actually in the NCAA and your team could run a Princeton style offense and put up 100+ against anyone would you not run it because your Yale? Same thing in my mind
I am that great in real life.
5/31/2010 9:49 AM
Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/30/2010pre 5-27 tweaks i would have agreed, now the results im seeing are easily worse than the old engine
You're joking. I'm giving up 40+ ft's per game. And still have a long line of opposing players waiting to get to the ft line...even teams that I'm dramatically faster and more athletic than.
5/31/2010 10:18 AM
Quote: Originally Posted By udm_mike on 5/31/2010
Quote: Originally posted by vandydave on 5/30/2010 pre 5-27 tweaks i would have agreed, now the results im seeing are easily worse than the old engine
You're joking. I'm giving up 40+ ft's per game. And still have a long line of opposing players waiting to get to the ft line...even teams that I'm dramatically faster and more athletic than


Its because your team stamina sucks. Literally sucks. Your guys are consistently playing at either "tired" or "very tired". Well that and because your IQs suck.

I'm actually not sure what sucks more - your team stamina or your IQs. You have fat, out-of-shape guys that don't know your defense running around playing FCP (with a little fastbreak offense too, just to add insult to injury).

Seriously, you can't come in here and rationally complain when you don't even bother to look at why your team stinks it up.
5/31/2010 11:38 AM
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