BYOP Taken Player and Draft Forum Topic

we will go back to normal picking order. Just to ensure that people are not out to dry. 1908 could trade up to the first round and select Addie Joss.
9/26/2009 10:50 PM
Here are ALL five of my draft picks.

None of them has an eligible season after 1893 so no one else can draft them.

1886 King Kelly
Tip O'Neill
Pete Browning
Tim Keefe
Bob Caruthers

I will also add 2 <$300K scrubs that will not play and will be dropped before second season. nikospade can verify after I enter my team.

Good luck and see ya'll when the season begins.

FBD/Mike

9/26/2009 10:51 PM
ok that works for me
9/26/2009 10:52 PM
since no one can select those players then I will put him down for those.
9/26/2009 10:53 PM
Anyways. The Big Red Machine shores up one of its few weaknesses by selecting SP Steve Carlton.
9/26/2009 11:04 PM
OK, no problem, the integrity of the draft has to be maintained. I thought you were talking about switching draft picks....I see your point about the 1908 team trading a player to a team that still has a first round pick which would be ahead of mine...
9/26/2009 11:04 PM
I"m taking Hoyt Wilhelm to sure up the bullpen for years to come
9/26/2009 11:06 PM
danscleaner asked me to proxy for him and he will be selecting Harmon Killebrew
9/26/2009 11:08 PM
SP Curt Schilling
9/26/2009 11:59 PM
so everybody was looking at 1915 Boston but everybody forgot about 1886 Detroit now take a look a what they drafted and the team they got now
9/27/2009 12:53 AM
Is there a keeper min/max next year?
9/27/2009 2:02 AM
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9/27/2009 2:32 AM
I'm sorry to have this debate while we're in the middle of a draft, but I am very opposed to the current ruling regarding the trading of draft picks. Every time I think about it, I come up with another reason why it is detrimental to the league. Many problems arise when owners are allowed to trade draft position while still selecting players from their own year. Here are four:

All these problems go away if we instead use my previous suggestion. Keep draft picks exclusive to their original year.

1) Different teams will value high draft picks very differently. One on extreme, the 1886 Detroit squad has no concern for draft position. All the players are exclusive, they can be drafted in any round. At the other end of the spectrum are the three 1927/1928 squads. They are all drafting out the same pool of players, and draft position is of the upmost importance. This all creates great trade imbalance. Detroit is free to trade away top draft picks for any price. He can trade a 1st for a 5th round pick and still draft all the same players. Maybe he receives a nice bench player in return (and trades away a scrub). Meanwhile, at the other end of the deal, the 1927 A’s team trades can trade a mostly worthless extra 2B and receive a 1st rounder, which can be used to pick up a long-term all star. Previously that pick would likely have been for a one-year wonders, not the backbone of a franchise.

2)Draft strategy becomes impossible to predict. In a normal draft, if you have the 12th pick, you know you’ll be able to draft the 12th best player, no matter who picks ahead of you. In our league, under the current setup, you can’t be sure how many picks come before yours. I’ll return to the example of the three 1927/1928 squads. If you have the last pick of the second round, you think you’ll be able to draft the sixth player from the late 20’s era. Now let’s say your rivals each trade up for two more picks in the first round. Suddenly that last second round pick just went from being the sixth best player to the ninth best player. Clubs from years with few rivals won’t have this problem. That’s hardly fair.

3) With the possibility of a trade happening anytime, owners might not get a chance to counter a move from a rival club. Oftentimes the dropoff from the best player in a decade to the second best is dramatic. Say you draft 12th overall and have the highest slot of any club from post 1980. You’re happy because you just landed Barry Bonds. Now image the next time you log on to WhatIfSports, you see a rival has traded up to the 5th spot and already drafted Barry. Maybe you could have a worked out a deal with the club holding the number 4 draft pick, but the first six clubs have drafted and it’s too late. Tough luck.

4) Trades for undrafted exclusive players become problematic. Right now I have exclusive rights to Frank Smith. I won’t be drafting him until my final pick because no one else can grab him. But another owner wants Frank Smith in exchange for his second round pick. I can’t cement the deal until I draft Smith. So the other owner drafts the player I ask him to draft (which is much more awkward than simply drafting him myself). He’s hoping I come through on my end, but there’s no guarantee. A better offer may come along for Chief Bender instead, so I draft Bender instead of Smith and leave the other owner high and dry with a player they didn't actually need. Hopefully we all stick to our word, but there’s no way to enforce such deals.
9/27/2009 3:29 AM
One final comment on the previous post. The biggest counter-argument against my position is that under my system you can't ever draft higher than your chronological rivals. Here's my response. With examples!

If you have the 1942 squad and draft lower than 1940 squad, you will never be able to draft the best pitcher from the 40s. The other squad has first pick. Always. But who cares? There are 22 other teams out there and many of them will have access to amazing pitching seasons. Rather than trying to trade up to draft that one guy, like we do in the standard progressive, here you have the opportunity to trade for just about anyone in the history of baseball. Stuck in 30's? Ask a '68 team if you can have one of their picks so you can draft the franchise ace pitcher you need. It turns out a pick in '68 has ten pitchers better than that one guy you were aching to grab from the 40's. Let the other team have him, you just went out and found someone better.
9/27/2009 3:43 AM
I agree with teal_leo.

This is an odd situation where people can trade away draft positions with little or no consequence to themselves but great impact to other teams.

Like it or not, it seem like, due to that wrinkle, we should not permit trading of draft positions and restrict it to players only.

Earlier, prior to the draft, we determined teams couldn't trade picks and draft out of season; a 1928 team couldn't trade with a 1908 team and straight draft a 1908 player. Why did we restrict this but let this other, more complicated deal go go down? I mean, I don't know if we want to reverse prior decisions, but I'm still not clear on the Gehrig deal and whether it was fair and balanced.
9/27/2009 10:34 AM
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