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2/11/2010 10:26 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By bigal888 on 2/11/2010
Quote: Originally posted by MikeT23 on 2/11/2010 So really it's not a lack of "capable" coaches. It's a lack of concern for your fellow owners and/or a programming issue wrt bidding for coaches.

Depending on what your definition of capable or average is - which we don't agree on.
I think an average ML coach regardless of specialty should be in the 70's in their specific rating - or statistically 68% of all coaches should have a rating within 1 standard deviation of the average and 95% should be within 2 SD


Well "average" really can't be disputed. You just have to pick the sample group to determine what is average.

Capable is another matter. My contention is if everyone has a coach of 70+ in their specific field of expertise then there's no reason to even have coaches. Unless, of course, you can provide some evidence that 85 is much better than 70.

I know I keep mentioning my 51 rated FI coach in HJ but it's the only real experience I have. My fielders still developed. However, based on previous results with FI in the 80s, I felt GLV/AA both "underdeveloped" with the 51 FI. But it was only 1-2 points on the entire season. It was hardly a difference-maker for one season. By my estimation, it would take at least 5-6 seasons under those conditions to turn a SS into a 3B. So, essentially, you'd have to have a FI in his 50s for a player's entire developmental period for it to matter.

And that's why I don't get my panties bunched when the FI reject my 4m offer to sign as a BC.
2/11/2010 10:26 AM
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That's exactly it.....for example Glenn Hubbard (first base coach) is the braves fielding instructor.
2/11/2010 10:27 AM
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I read some of the posts here, but not all 6 pages. Here is the problem I have with FI right now. You had a crew setup in S1. Now they are all in their 60's, in mature leagues, and beginning to retire, but there have not been any instructors, whether FI or any other designation, that have even remotely decent ratings to fill the spots.

There should be a healthy mix of both age and skill. Instead we have a large group of old guys who know how and then a couple coaches that people have tried to cultivate (out of necessity). THis is not that realistic. There should be coaches of all ages and ability (spread out relatively evenly). So maybe 8 guys in their 60's, 12 guys in their 50's and 12 guys in their 40's. And their skills might correspond to their experience. Instead we have 30 guys retiring in a 4 year period.
2/11/2010 10:28 AM
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Quote: Originally Posted By csherwood on 2/11/2010this thread is aptly named. It is just about the most whiny thread Mike has ever written. Seriously, Mike, ifyou want to do a thread suggesting a revamp of the coaching process go ahead. But if the system as it is puts a ton of coaches out there for every position but FI, the only consistent solution within the system we have now is to make this change


No, it really isn't. There's always more than one solution. And there isn't a need to have solutions for non-problems.
2/11/2010 10:28 AM
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2/11/2010 11:09 AM
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There isn't a huge difference but, as I pointed out, there is a difference. Knowing that spending a few extra dollars and a few more minutes during coach hiring COULD make a difference made it worth doing. I don't honestly know the difference between 70 and 85 but, if the difference between 51-80 was a 1-2 points for an entire season, I can't imagine that it's much.

Now, if WifS creates enough FI so that everyone gets a 70ish, there really is no point to coach hiring.
2/11/2010 11:14 AM
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In my limited experience part of the problem was that some owners who carried a large player payroll were ****** that they couldn't land a quality coach for a coaching position that was short in supply.

A better solution to this would be to increase an individual owner's overall budget based on their player payroll. If a guys who pays 25$ to play this game wants to have quality players on his ML team, he shouldn't be forced to choose between that and other factors that prevent him from maintaining a dynasty. Afterall, it's HBDynasty! not HBSingle Season!
2/11/2010 11:19 AM
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Free Agency for all coaches + multi-year deals for coaches = Problem solved

And it's not like they'd have to design a new algorithm, they could just use the current FA algorithm.
2/11/2010 11:22 AM
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nfet, that's a horrible idea. Increase overall budget based on payroll budget? Really?
2/11/2010 11:25 AM
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I've already solved it in the overhaul coaching budget thread.

Thank you.
2/11/2010 11:27 AM
nfet
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the owners who have a high player payroll, and dont think it should cost them anything more than the price of the players, would agree.
2/11/2010 11:31 AM
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So, if you spend 110m on players, you'll get the same amount for everything else as the guy who spends 88m on players.

That makes no sense. The whole idea of the budget is, if you want something, you've got to give up something else.
2/11/2010 11:37 AM
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right. but haven't you ever been in the position where you have a large payroll....and you also want to compete in the coach hiring process? This way you don't have to give up anything, and you can maintain your dynasty. It's the root of the problem.

I'm being sarcastic.

2/11/2010 11:42 AM
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Ah. I thought you were being retarded.
2/11/2010 11:51 AM
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