Quote: Originally Posted By nickbracco on 4/19/2010When was the last time you argued a point here or in the pit? All you and swamp and your tribe say boils down to my opinion is wrong and I have no right to have it!

That kind of attitude does not come from me unless, the person I am arguing with reverts to name calling or profiling me as a Hannity conservative. I listen, watch and read both conservative and liberal news. I just happen to agree with the conservative views more than I agree with liberal views.

The "your stupid, no your stupid", arguing really makes me angry and I drop out of the conversation.

As far as your opinion goes, I can respect your opinion and discuss it to the best of my ability.

Quote: Originally Posted By nickbracco on 4/19/2010When was the last time you argued a point here or in the pit? All you and swamp and your tribe say boils down to my opinion is wrong and I have no right to have it!

Tribe...that seems a little insensitive.

When have I ever denied you your right to speak.

I admit I think you are wrong, and sometimes I find you offensive, but I have never attacked your right to speak...you must have me confused with Anton!

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 4/19/2010Liberal doesn't mean "anyone who disagrees with you", idiot.

Plus, I call you stupid because you've conclusively proven you're stupid, not because you're conservative

Be careful Anton. You are getting very close to what MSNBC would deem Tea Party material.

I don't watch MSNBC, so I'm not sure what that would be.

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 4/20/2010I don't watch MSNBC, so I'm not sure what that would be

He means you are acting like a reacionary lunatic lashing out at anyone that you perceive to be opposed to you.

You know, what you accuse me and Nick of doing!

Quote: Originally Posted By antonsirius on 4/20/2010I don't watch MSNBC, so I'm not sure what that would be

Hey I am just joking around with you. Figured you would find it amusing also. I dont watch MSNBC either. I was just guessing that they would be one of the networks that have been making all the false claims I have heard about Tea Party people.

I think that's more of a HuffPo and DailyKos thing, but I could be wrong...

If the Tea Partiers did nothing but spend their time pointing out how stupid obviously stupid people were, though, I'd be behind them 100%.

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 4/19/2010The 20% across the board is a threat if Congress cannot make stratgic cuts. Kind of a worst possible option.Some ideas. Eliminate Dept of Energy and Education. Return Energy to interior and cut budget by 50%. Return Education to HHS and cut budget by 85%.eliminate the branchs of the Military. Create a military only panel that decides what weapons are needed and not needed within the budget. Civilians tell them the amount of money, soldiers tell you how to spend it. just the start.

Ah so the 20% across the board is only a last resort. See it's tough to figure that out when it's your one sentence answer to everything and you never follow up on with the details.

Still, you're solutions are so oversimplified that they're silly. Cut the Dept of Energy by 50%. What get's cut? 50% across the board or do you cut out agencies like the Nuclear Regulatory Commission or the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission?

If you're going to reduce education to such an insignificant budget than why waste any money on it? Just privatize the whole thing like you really want to. I've gone off on this in the past so I'll spare the details for now, but I'll ask you the same question about privatized education that I've asked you several other times to no answer, if millions of people cannot afford privatized health insurance, what do you think would happen with privatized education?

I don't know how you're idea of eliminating the branches of the military would save much money. It's just so oversimplified that I can't even begin to approach it.

You pull these percentages out of our *** (more likely, somebody else did and you're following the lead) without actually thinking about what those cuts actually entail. I've yet to see you make a good argument for eliminating, say, the Dept of Energy. You just name off areas of government that are seemingly insignificant to you, but there are consequences to eliminating these and I don't think you have a clue as to what they might be.

As far as cuts go.

Every goverment agency from local to federal should have a person or commitee that goes over each expense before it is ok'd.

The reason I say this is my city had a statue made to put in front of the police station as a memorial to 3 fallen police officers at a cost of $26,000.

The memorial you can think as a good idea or a bad idea, my complaint is that it cost $26,000 this is at a time, when we are cutting overtime hours for police. Things like this make no sense to me.

The mosquito abatement agency has a truck with a yellow light that drives in front of the large truck that sprays for mosquitos. This is the persons only job to escort the truck that sprays. How can we cut costs here? Put a freaking yellow flashing light on the big truck lay off the guy that drives escort and do not buy the small truck with the yellow light in the first place.

Another example is, I have a relative that is in the House of representitives. A family member passed away and he took a government flight from DC to Chicago for the funeral. Why should tax payers have to pay for that flight? He has also gone on hunting trips with other members and the whole trip is paid for by the goverment including the private lodge. How is this fair?

Lets cut out all the BS expenses and see where we stand, before we go increasing taxes or cutting needed programs.

Quote: Originally Posted By creilmann on 4/23/2010

Quote: Originally posted by swamphawk22 on 4/19/2010
The 20% across the board is a threat if Congress cannot make stratgic cuts. Kind of a worst possible option.

Some ideas.

Eliminate Dept of Energy and Education. Return Energy to interior and cut budget by 50%. Return Education to HHS and cut budget by 85%.

eliminate the branchs of the Military. Create a military only panel that decides what weapons are needed and not needed within the budget. Civilians tell them the amount of money, soldiers tell you how to spend it.

just the start.

Ah so the 20% across the board is only a last resort. See it's tough to figure that out when it's your one sentence answer to everything and you never follow up on with the details.

Still, you're solutions are so oversimplified that they're silly. Cut the Dept of Energy by 50%. What get's cut? 50% across the board or do you cut out agencies like the Nuclear Regulatory Commission or the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission?

If you're going to reduce education to such an insignificant budget than why waste any money on it? Just privatize the whole thing like you really want to. I've gone off on this in the past so I'll spare the details for now, but I'll ask you the same question about privatized education that I've asked you several other times to no answer, if millions of people cannot afford privatized health insurance, what do you think would happen with privatized education?

I don't know how you're idea of eliminating the branches of the military would save much money. It's just so oversimplified that I can't even begin to approach it.

You pull these percentages out of our *** (more likely, somebody else did and you're following the lead) without actually thinking about what those cuts actually entail. I've yet to see you make a good argument for eliminating, say, the Dept of Energy. You just name off areas of government that are seemingly insignificant to you, but there are consequences to eliminating these and I don't think you have a clue as to what they might be.

The issue with the Dept of Energy or Education is we created a huge beuaracracy when we make a cabinet position. Just by eliminating the department and putting it under another department we save money. The whole creation of a department was PR. Tell me how a kid sitting in a classroom in Detroit benefits from the dept of Education?

We are a nation of 300 million people, and about 10 million couldnt afford health care. I am willing to pay for people that cannot afford health care or education. I want people to see if we run government programs like a business we save money, so everyone pays less and gets more. How many Americans would kkep their kids in public schools if they had a real choice.

The elimination of branchs isnt popular, but it is a good plan. We need to start examining outside the box.

Again we are not talking about eliminating a lot of the things they do, just the beauracracy around it.

Not cutting anything they do and eliminating the beauracracy would be effective.

It would be very effective.

Has anyone in the government ever said "This isnt a federal problem, and we dont feel making a government agency to fix it would help"? Ever?

The only place in America where both jobs and pay rates are going up is Government.

Funny story

My friend works for the Illinois secretary of state in a drivers license office. She is a supervisor in this particular office she is required to have at least 2 lines open at all times. She has enough staff to keep 3 lines open except for lunch hours and breaks then there are the required 2. The extend of her job now is to cover lunchs and breaks when there is someone on vacation or sick. She brags to all of us that she does actual work 60 hours a year.

I think a private company could run it better, don't you?

No. A private company would have to make a profit which means, fewer employees or higher fees or minimum wage. Your pick.

Quote: Originally Posted By nickbracco on 4/24/2010No. A private company would have to make a profit which means, fewer employees or higher fees or minimum wage. Your pick

How about a private company could reduce the losses.

Nick you are a broken record, because the government runs it, you believe its ok to waste the taxpayers money.

I bet you also believe working 60 hours a year, she should be paid her $60 some thousand a year.