Fair Play Guidelines? Topic

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Quote: Originally Posted By The__Kid on 4/09/2010
Revert the "Fair Play Guidelines" to the previous version.

Give the commissioner, as a representative of the other 30 owners, the power to nominate an owner for dismissal to admin.

Let admin decide given all the facts.

Assume the defendant is guilty until proven otherwise. (We're not in a court of law)

The commissioner should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Let the commissioner replace an owner at the beginning of the season, unconditionally.
The problem with this is that if you give admin the same exact problem 20 times, you'll likely get 20 different results. Their track record shows that consistency is not one of their core competencies.
4/9/2010 12:30 PM
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4/9/2010 12:38 PM
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4/9/2010 12:39 PM
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They only need 1 hard an fast rule. You join a private world and WIS will stay out of it. That is why it is called a private world. If the private world wants you removed your gone.

They can handle the phantom abusive comish on a case by case basis by contacting the owners in the league.
4/9/2010 12:49 PM
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I think is a failure because too many people want exact and specific guidelines so the powers that be can say "Section 7, paragraph B, line 4" when removing an owner.

This isn't a court of law. It's a game. Again, the commish formed the world(and I think WifS bobbled that right off the bat) with certain guidelines in mind. They must evolve because every world has had turnover. And every owner will figure it out a way to "beat the system". If the commish no longer represents what the world wants, he should be removed. If he allows the world to evolve into something he didn't want, he screwed up when he started giving out passwords. Put the responsibility on the commish and boot his *** if he can't handle it. It doesn't seem like there's a big problem with people speaking their mind. If the commish sucks, notify ADMIN via whatever means they deem appropriate and get his *** out of there. If he wants to remain as an owner, so be it.

In this particular case, I offered to transfer commish duties and remove my team if smoelheim was allowed to stay. I could have held the world hostage and never approved but I didn't want to do that to the other 30 owners. However, had I chosen that route and the other 30 didn't like it, don't you think they would have contacted ADMIN about me?
4/9/2010 12:52 PM
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An abusive commissioner will not have a world for long. Why would any owner (unless in cohoots with the bad commissioner) remain in the world. LET THE PRIVATE WORLDS POLICE THEMSELVES.
4/9/2010 12:56 PM
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This may have been suggested already, but what if each private world posted their official rules on the forum, and Admin used those rules to decide whether or not the owner should be booted? That way no commish can be dictatorial, and Admin can make logical choices about who deserves to be removed.
4/9/2010 12:56 PM
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Exactly, Mike. You haven't indicated any groundswell of support for smoelheim in his dispute with you, and the mass walkout pretty much confirms where everyone stands on the issue.

If I'd disagreed with your stance, I would have let you know, and I'm sure some others would have as well. If you had disregarded those hypothetical concerns, then we'd have another issue. But the 26 walk-outs and counting make it all too clear where the league stands.
4/9/2010 1:00 PM
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because you can not cover every situation with a hard and fast rule hence the US Tax code.

Also since you are a private world you do not need to.
4/9/2010 1:00 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By crickett13 on 4/09/2010
They only need 1 hard an fast rule. You join a private world and WIS will stay out of it. That is why it is called a private world. If the private world wants you removed your gone.

They can handle the phantom abusive comish on a case by case basis by contacting the owners in the league.



This is exactly what I'm saying. When you try to join a private league you assume the risk that they might reject you or kick you out at some point. Dem's da breaks. If you don't want to deal with that and would like to live under the safety of Father WIS, join a public league.

I'm the commish of a fantasy baseball league that uses CBS Sportsline, and we certainly don't have to deal with CBS sticking its nose in our business about anything, including owner removal. I see little reason this should be different.
4/9/2010 1:04 PM
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Someone spent $25 too, and it shouldn't be as easy as "the commish says" to can their *** and have them be out that money.

But, it's relatively simple to cover every situation with a single rule - league vote.

There should be more than that for clarity's sake, but it fills in the gaps.

Page 5 for my stunningly simple solution, fully endorsed by a smart follow user.
4/9/2010 1:06 PM
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Quote: Originally posted by jweiland on 4/09/2010
I'm the commish of a fantasy baseball league that uses CBS Sportsline, and we certainly don't have to deal with CBS sticking its nose in our business about anything, including owner removal. I see little reason this should be different.

It is different because there's no way to rescind an invitation without Admin's help. Once an owner is in, he can stay until he violates those soft standards of fair play.

That is exactly what smoelheim has been arguing, is that he was invited to join and now can't be asked to leave.
4/9/2010 1:06 PM
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4/9/2010 1:06 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted By tzentmeyer on 4/09/2010Guys,

We thought we were releasing guidelines yesterday that would help the HBD tanking situation. We wanted to make things less vague and more concrete.

And to be clear, we are far more interested in protecting and helping our veteran, loyal users than the small percentage that either choose to tank their ML team or quit playing.

So..let's work this out together.

Our goal is to have some set guidelines so there's less subjectivity when deciding whether an owner should be replaced or not. On the other hand, we have to be careful because it's not good business practice for us to boot an owner from a world in which he's been playing for several seasons (private or public).

And we want private worlds to be able to control who gets in their world. The tricky thing is when they want to prevent a user who had a team in the world from staying in the world.

Help us out. What do you suggest?

Thank


we have been helping out...and have made pages and pages of suggestions...just scrap the new rules and let the commish of the world decide based on their rules...the rules we decided on and accepted when we joined the league...
4/9/2010 1:13 PM
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The problem with a vote is, who votes? The owners at the end of a previous season, some/many of whom won't be back the following season -- especially after something as potentially contentious as a vote-out? Or the owners who go renew/sign up at the season's start?

In a world like Cooperstown, which has (had?) a strong reputation, filling open spots wasn't hard, even with a known issue going into rollover. But middle-tier worlds might have trouble filling openings with the caveat that there could be a vote-out process before the world is approved.
4/9/2010 1:18 PM
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