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Quote: Originally Posted By Arte on 6/04/2010

Well I'll let you mull what I understand and don't understand for a while.

People will always remember this game as the perfect game that got taken away by a bad call. I don't think you can disagree with that. But note the preface...a perfect game. He did pitch a perfect game. He stepped on first with posession of the ball before the runner got there for the 27th consecutive out. That can not be denied and ever taken away from him. The subsequent error by the umpire is unfortunate but reversible if someone with the authority and the backbone chose to do so. But that will apparently not happen. And that is unfortunate.

Sports can teach important life lessons. The way Gallaraga and Joyce handled this are commendable examples of appropriate behavior. Too bad we can't add the lesson that when authority acknowledges an error, they not only work to ensure it doesn't happen again, they actually correct the error itself.

uh, nop

If the umpire got the call right, it would have been a perfect game. Nobody would have argued it. So all the actions up to that point that occurred on the field constituted a perfect game. It's the umpire error that takes away the perfect game, not any action by the players. So call it what you want but for one split second, when Galarraga's foot touched that base, the Tigers had pitched, caught, dove and thrown themselves all over the field performing all the required actions to acheive what is called a perfect game. And then he was called safe.

Quote: Originally Posted By Jtpsops on 6/05/2010The only purpose for overturning the call would have been to give Galarraga his place in history (which he'll have anyway now) and give him the recognition he deserved. From that perspective, I would have supported it.

But overall, it sets a dangerous precedent, because as has been said, you'd have to give the same consideration the other way (ie: if a bad call awards a perfect game or ends a game prematurely, you'd have to reverse it).

As well, history in every arena (not just sports) shows that you give people an inch, they'll try to take a mile. It would have started a snowball effect that surely would have led to reversable calls in really bad places

This whole precedent thing is way over blown. Anybody here ever work in a union? I was a steward for a few years. We had several cases where the company knew they were wrong but they were worried we would use their decision against them (which was a legitamite worry to be honest) so there was sometimes language in the resolution that stated it was non-precedent setting so we couldn't hit them over the head with it later. Effective and binding.

Fair enough, but some things are by nature precedent-setting.

What if a guy retires 26 straight hitters and his team is leading 1-0. The 27th is called out on a play where replays show he's clearly safe. If that team protests because they still would have had a shot to win the game (and because they don't want to be the victims of a perfecto), using the "Galarraga Rule" as an example, what's the commish going to say? "Sorry guys, we just overturned it that one time to rightfully restore a guy's perfect game. We're not going to overturn a call for a guy who's wrongfully awarded one."

It wouldn't fly, even if it was clearly stated "this is not precedent-setting"

And for the record, I would have liked to see Galarraga awarded the perfect game. But I do see the argument against it and, having a chance to really mull it over, I think Selig made the choice that's in the best interest of baseball as a whole.

Quote: Originally Posted By Jtpsops on 6/05/2010Fair enough, but some things are by nature precedent-setting.

What if a guy retires 26 straight hitters and his team is leading 1-0. The 27th is called out on a play where replays show he's clearly safe. If that team protests because they still would have had a shot to win the game (and because they don't want to be the victims of a perfecto), using the "Galarraga Rule" as an example, what's the commish going to say? "Sorry guys, we just overturned it that one time to rightfully restore a guy's perfect game. We're not going to overturn a call for a guy who's wrongfully awarded one."

It wouldn't fly, even if it was clearly stated "this is not precedent-setting

I hear ya. There's no good answer. What we are with now is jacked. Any solution is jacked. Which is less jacked? Who knows...

It's definitely less jacked to leave the game the way it happened. Since, you know, that is what actually happened.

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You can't pick and choose when to overturn a bad call. It shouldn't be situational.

Quote: Originally posted by tecwrg on 6/06/2010You can't pick and choose when to overturn a bad call.  It shouldn't be situational.

You're kidding, right?

Because that's what every review system in the whole world does.

NFL: when do we review? Situationally. A coach throws a flag, or it's within x of the end of the game, or it was y kind of play.

Not all the time. Only in certain situations

Moron.

What would the purpose be for overturning this particular call?

So a non-descript pitcher can have a perfect game? Seems rather pointless if you look at the big picture.

Seems pointless not to. What do we lose? A PA by a nondescript batter?

History should reflect what actually happened.

What actually happened: 27 straight outs.

No, a runner was called safe. By the umpire. Happens every day during baseball season.

Nonetheless, my point is simple. Nothing, truly, is gained or lost either way. It would be so a few people could have feel-good moment. Do some volunteer work instead.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/06/2010

No, a runner was called safe. By the umpire. Happens every day during baseball season.

Nonetheless, my point is simple. Nothing, truly, is gained or lost either way. It would be so a few people could have feel-good moment. Do some volunteer work instead.

My kid makes a mistake I not only make him understand what he did wrong and apologize to the people he affected, I make do something to attempt to try to make up for whatever negative impact there was for the error. Break a window...it comes out of your allowance to fix it. Sometimes it's hard to tie the correction back to the mistake. Sometimes things are gone for good becasue of mistake. Sometimes it's easy. This is easy. Seems like a better lesson to teach than "s#$% happens junior...".

While that's a nice story, it doesn't really apply here.

What you could teach your kid from this is that you can only control what you can control. Sometimes things are out of your hands. And, when they are, you can act like Galaragga did and move on.

In fact, I think this situation is a great teaching tool for parents. You do your best. If someone makes a mistake, you accept it and move on. If you made the mistake, man up, admit your error and move on.

Quote: Originally Posted By MikeT23 on 6/06/2010
While that's a nice story, it doesn't really apply here.

What you could teach your kid from this is that you can only control what you can control. Sometimes things are out of your hands. And, when they are, you can act like Galaragga did and move on.

In fact, I think this situation is a great teaching tool for parents. You do your best. If someone makes a mistake, you accept it and move on. If you made the mistake, man up, admit your error and move on.

I'm still saying Mike you fix it if you can. Sometimes you can't. But nobody died here. Nothing got destroyed beyond repair.

Hockey's got an interesting take on instant replay. The Flyers scored a goal that wasn't called and play continued. The announcers were saying as the action went on that when there was a whistle, the goal would be reviewed and if it was deemed a goal, the clock would be reset and all action that happened between the time the goal occurred and the whistle would be deleted. Even if the whistle blew because the Hawks scored a goal. It would be as if time was turned back.

By the way, go Hawks.