Posted by girt25 on 6/24/2012 11:48:00 PM (view original):
grant, I will say that I agree with you on one count, which is that freshmen shouldn't leave early in HD. I've told seble this. There are no impact freshmen like in the real life NCAA, and it's silly to have frosh leave in HD because of that. Other than that, it's a good (and more important, very necessary) change.

Girt, I'll agree that a change needed to be made, I just don't think they made the right one.

We'll see how it plays out, and we still may disagree after that, but forums would be boring if we all agreed.

Posted by grantduck on 6/24/2012 4:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 6/23/2012 11:23:00 PM (view original):
If you're recruiting top tier players, there is a legit chance they're going to leave early. I'm stunned that anyone would think that doesn't make sense/isn't realistic/fair/etc.

(Though I don't believe you feel that way, it's just more about you wanting to protect your own self interests.)

Sorry, but the game is highly stacked towards the BCS teams.

I spent a lot of time at a mid major before I went to a BCS school, so I can see it from both sides.

It is realistic to have top tier players leaving after their freshman and sophomore years.  However, in HD, where IQ is so valuable, it makes it unrealistic because it essentially creates a game where top tier players are less valuable than guys who develop,  that's not realistic AT ALL.

It's a good change, ONLY if they make freshman and sophomores come in with some higher IQ's(B's, B+'s, etc) like they also can in real life.

If you're going to make it more realistic, you can't make just the leaving early more realistic, without having freshman and sophmores being capable of playing at a very high level, or it actually makes things considerably worse.

The reason it's stacked towards BCS teams is because of the lack of mid level recruits that develop into top guys by their senior seasons, it's a recruit generation issue and a recruiting money issue.  If you're trying to balance out BCS/non-BCS schools or high prestige/mid prestige, having more players from top teams leave early is the wrong way to go about doing that because it's not the problem.

As both you and daalt said / it makes little sense to have freshmen leave early for HD because they will never be the impact that you had expected them too, now with there being no personality traits they should never leave early since we can't say 'they were greedy and left early' like happens in RL, etc.

Personally I would be all for having some kids coming in with B's across the board in IQ or things like that which could allow for there to be kids that can step in and play at any O/D set as a B (or even better?) coming out of HS. 

i like the idea of truly "impact" freshmen that can come in and dominate, but if that were to happen, I think it would have to come with some added dimensions, namely 2 things I've argued for in other threads.  1- a minimum amount of recruiting effort and 2 - some form of national recruiting.  I don't think someone should end up with a Carmelo or a Derrick Rose simply caused they were randomly generated 20 miles from a campus. 

I've had numerous instances where a player didn't like being redshirted during the preseason and dropped in WE.  I didn't play him because he couldn't crack the lineup.  After 15 games or so, he sees that he isn't going to be a part of rotation and is more open to a redshirt rather than losing the whole season.  Are you saying this is no longer possible and that first reaction will always be the reaction I get? 

That was never the case.

Posted by zhawks on 6/25/2012 9:10:00 AM (view original):

Posted by grantduck on 6/24/2012 4:58:00 AM (view original):

Posted by girt25 on 6/23/2012 11:23:00 PM (view original):
If you're recruiting top tier players, there is a legit chance they're going to leave early. I'm stunned that anyone would think that doesn't make sense/isn't realistic/fair/etc.

(Though I don't believe you feel that way, it's just more about you wanting to protect your own self interests.)

Sorry, but the game is highly stacked towards the BCS teams.

I spent a lot of time at a mid major before I went to a BCS school, so I can see it from both sides.

It is realistic to have top tier players leaving after their freshman and sophomore years.  However, in HD, where IQ is so valuable, it makes it unrealistic because it essentially creates a game where top tier players are less valuable than guys who develop,  that's not realistic AT ALL.

It's a good change, ONLY if they make freshman and sophomores come in with some higher IQ's(B's, B+'s, etc) like they also can in real life.

If you're going to make it more realistic, you can't make just the leaving early more realistic, without having freshman and sophmores being capable of playing at a very high level, or it actually makes things considerably worse.

The reason it's stacked towards BCS teams is because of the lack of mid level recruits that develop into top guys by their senior seasons, it's a recruit generation issue and a recruiting money issue.  If you're trying to balance out BCS/non-BCS schools or high prestige/mid prestige, having more players from top teams leave early is the wrong way to go about doing that because it's not the problem.

As both you and daalt said / it makes little sense to have freshmen leave early for HD because they will never be the impact that you had expected them too, now with there being no personality traits they should never leave early since we can't say 'they were greedy and left early' like happens in RL, etc.

Personally I would be all for having some kids coming in with B's across the board in IQ or things like that which could allow for there to be kids that can step in and play at any O/D set as a B (or even better?) coming out of HS. 

I think that's a good simple solution as well, hope seble reads it! :-)