The NEW LEFT...Can't make this stuff up Topic

Posted by DougOut on 8/4/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/1/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):
For the record, a two state solution is probably the only way this ever works. But I don’t see her statement as anti-Semite.
What would a two state solution look like?
It would look very much like war. The US had a two state solution for about four years.
8/4/2018 10:19 PM
Posted by DougOut on 8/4/2018 4:34:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/2/2018 2:58:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/2/2018 2:45:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/2/2018 2:21:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/2/2018 10:00:00 AM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/2/2018 8:56:00 AM (view original):
Maldives. This is too easy, cccp.
The law prohibits the practice by Maldivian citizens of any religion other than Islam, and the Constitution precludes non-Muslims from voting, obtaining citizenship, and holding public positions. Hopefully you are solo without your wife or daughters.
That makes the Malvides a social, economic or military disaster?
When you are not given equal rights because you are not of the same faith that is a social disaster in my book.
So Israeli law banning inter-faith marriages makes Israel a social disaster in your book?
WOW!

Could you post and source that law for us? THANKS!
It's a little thing called Halakha. Actually, cccp's counter was a decent one. Technically, the constitution allows many things. In reality, Halakha Law, and the social attitudes derived from it, pretty much rules the day.
8/4/2018 10:34 PM
Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/4/2018 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 8/4/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/1/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):
For the record, a two state solution is probably the only way this ever works. But I don’t see her statement as anti-Semite.
What would a two state solution look like?
It would look very much like war. The US had a two state solution for about four years.
That's a pretty imperialist thing to say.
8/4/2018 10:48 PM
Israel conquered the land after two wars with Arab nations. The land is theirs
8/5/2018 9:55 AM
That's a pretty imperialist thing to say. Britain conquered a ton of land in their colonization spree. Should they get that land back? Should they get the USA back?
8/5/2018 12:26 PM
Or are you saying that there is never, ever a situation where diplomacy is of use and war is 100% always the answer.
8/5/2018 12:27 PM
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.
8/5/2018 4:23 PM
Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Or are you saying that there is never, ever a situation where diplomacy is of use and war is 100% always the answer.
Diplomacy never works when people come from such different points of view. Add to that the religious aspect and Muslim doctrine to wipe all the Jews off the face of the planet I do not foresee diplomacy working.

I could be wrong. But it has been 70 yrs what makes you feel that things will be better now?
8/5/2018 4:29 PM
Posted by tangplay on 8/4/2018 10:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/4/2018 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 8/4/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/1/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):
For the record, a two state solution is probably the only way this ever works. But I don’t see her statement as anti-Semite.
What would a two state solution look like?
It would look very much like war. The US had a two state solution for about four years.
That's a pretty imperialist thing to say.
Thank you.
8/5/2018 5:30 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.
8/5/2018 5:41 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.
Actually, you are taking tangplay's bait and using emotion.

The East Romans (Byzantines) and Sasanians (Persians) did an excellent job of weakening each other through mutual destruction for several hundred years. Next a bunch of Huns, Bulgars and Seljuk Turks had their fun. Finally, the Fourth Crusade and the Venetians got the job done. It was the Christian Crusaders who wiped out Byzantine Christianity. By the time THE ISLAMISTS and Mehmed II Fatih showed up in 1453, the Greeks had run Constantinople into the ground and there was literally nothing left.

I am using history.
8/5/2018 6:07 PM
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.
Your point is? Yes imperialism is, for the most part, bad. We could get into a gigantic debate over who owns what territory based on imperialism and make tons of examples, whether correct, or in your case, incorrect. This argument is moot. Who owns Texas? Is it the USA? Is it Mexico? Is it Spain? Should it be divided among Indian tribes?

There are 4.8 million Palestinians, many of whom you characterize as radical Islamists, Are you willing to accept them into your country? You think they won't cause problems in other countries? Or should they move into other Islamist countries like Iran, making those countries more radical and more powerful and bringing the terrorist groups with them? Not saying that these are my thoughts, but it seems pretty counter-intuitive from your standpoint.
8/5/2018 6:32 PM (edited)
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:29:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 12:27:00 PM (view original):
Or are you saying that there is never, ever a situation where diplomacy is of use and war is 100% always the answer.
Diplomacy never works when people come from such different points of view. Add to that the religious aspect and Muslim doctrine to wipe all the Jews off the face of the planet I do not foresee diplomacy working.

I could be wrong. But it has been 70 yrs what makes you feel that things will be better now?
I tend to be more optimistic than you. Is it hard to achieve peace? Yes. Is it possible? I would like to hope so.
8/5/2018 6:28 PM
Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/5/2018 5:30:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 8/4/2018 10:48:00 PM (view original):
Posted by gomiami1972 on 8/4/2018 10:19:00 PM (view original):
Posted by DougOut on 8/4/2018 4:16:00 PM (view original):
Posted by bad_luck on 8/1/2018 2:54:00 PM (view original):
For the record, a two state solution is probably the only way this ever works. But I don’t see her statement as anti-Semite.
What would a two state solution look like?
It would look very much like war. The US had a two state solution for about four years.
That's a pretty imperialist thing to say.
Thank you.
You are an imperialist?
8/5/2018 6:29 PM
Posted by tangplay on 8/5/2018 6:32:00 PM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/5/2018 4:23:00 PM (view original):
When US gives Mexico back TX and CA and when Islamists give Constantinople back to the Christians we can talk about imperialism. Mohammed was a warlord and wiped out Byzantine Christianity.

Israel will never give that land back. When Jews weren’t welcome in Europe they left. Palestinians who feel mistreated should leave.

I am using logic.
Your point is? Yes imperialism is, for the most part, bad. We could get into a gigantic debate over who owns what territory based on imperialism and make tons of examples, whether correct, or in your case, incorrect. This argument is moot. Who owns Texas? Is it the USA? Is it Mexico? Is it Spain? Should it be divided among Indian tribes?

There are 4.8 million Palestinians, many of whom you characterize as radical Islamists, Are you willing to accept them into your country? You think they won't cause problems in other countries? Or should they move into other Islamist countries like Iran, making those countries more radical and more powerful and bringing the terrorist groups with them? Not saying that these are my thoughts, but it seems pretty counter-intuitive from your standpoint.
Israel won. It has been 70 years. They will not acquiesce. When this happened in Europe, Jews moved to places that accepted them. Including my parents. There are 54 Islamist countries, they should move to one of them if they are unhappy how they are treated in Israel. The Jews will not give up their only homeland. A two state solution is not going to work because they don't trust the Palestinians. They gave up Gaza and that has been a disaster.

So should the US give TX and Cali back to Mexico?
8/5/2018 6:49 PM
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