Tang/CCCP Obama Debate Topic

Posted by tangplay on 8/19/2018 12:01:00 AM (view original):

That was not my argument. One SHOULD be ABLE to if they choose. THAT is my argument. Hypocrisy of some should not diminish the liberty of others.

Fair enough.

Prior to all of this, the transgender person went to the bathroom that best suited their needs without any problems or notice and I am sure they wish it would have stayed that way.

Transgender people have been using the bathroom they wanted to for years. I am perfectly fine with it staying that way.

When it got to the point where men looking like men and who are not part of the LBGT community can decide they will enter women's dressing rooms we have created a problem rather than solve anything.

That's obviously terrible but people can do that regardless. As in there aren't security guards guarding a bathroom. Anything illegal they do is illegal regardless. I don't see how a regulation affects a chance of any of this happening.

It isn't overblown at all. Are we getting our heads chopped off? Of course not. But there can be restrictions and erosion of freedoms without beheadings.

Just to be clear, you are also OK with other religions doing this as well, right?

Massive failure except for the fact that they successfully expelled the Muslim hordes from the European continent.

They must not have done a good job, because there were still Muslims in Turkey and Spain and most of the decrease was before the Crusades.

When you quote Matthew 5:38-39, do you believe that you are not to defend yourself?

I don't know. I have never been in a position where I would have to defend myself to protect others. My best guess would be maybe if you did as minimally as possible as to try to have the least people hurt, with yourself being the person to get hurt if anyone were to?

I'll stand by belief here, that without centuries of Muslim aggression the Crusades would have never happened

That's true. That also doesn't make the Crusades justifiable.

Let's say our definition of religious freedom is 'Ability to practice religion without law taken against you in a public space'. You can change the definition if you want.

I agree that examples 1 and 2 are wrong, but I wouldn't put them under the category of religious freedom. #3 and 5 could be in the category, but I would need more info that it was due to religion and not other factors. I don't know what the answer is to #6, as I think both have fairly valid arguments, but again I just wouldn't be an ******* to people. Your last example I flat out disagree with, that isn't religious freedom as I understand it. You are talking about a group prayer before a legislative assembly? Please elaborate. I completely agree that #4 is a violation of religious freedom. So what now. What would defending religious freedom look like and when will it start happening?

No I had but one choice, and that was to vote Trump.

So you have explained why you like Trump, but why do you hate Hillary so much?

IRAN:
Ok, so the options here are
A. Don't sanction Iran in return for a promise of no nuclear activity, has the benefits of surveillance and at least a chance of success, along with less chance of a deadly war or revolution.
B. Sanction Iran, allows them to build nukes whenever they want, no surveillance, making people suffer even more with a chance of a collapse that history has already shown would be catastrophic.

I like option A better.


They don’t have the tech or money to build nukes. You give them money and they ll build em while giving the UN inspectors the runaround and use that money to fund Hezbollah and Hamas.
8/19/2018 8:13 AM
Posted by tangplay on 8/19/2018 12:02:00 AM (view original):
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/18/2018 11:37:00 PM (view original):
Tang has issues. One is immaturity.
What do you expect, I am the youngest person here. My immaturity just makes you look wise and savvy in your old age. Appreciate it.
You should read about Charles Martel. Probably one of the most important Christians ever.
8/19/2018 8:15 AM
Posted by tangplay on 8/18/2018 9:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 8/18/2018 9:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 8/18/2018 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 8/18/2018 5:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 8/18/2018 5:36:00 PM (view original):
So you are sacrificing moral and religious values for political ones?

Honestly it stumps me why ANY Christian would vote for Trump. He is so anti Christian value that it is insane. It's a major reason why Christian Evangelicals are becoming one of the most hated groups in the USA. For good reason. Good riddance.
Glad to hear that you hate me!
When did I say that I hate you?
"It's a major reason why Christian Evangelicals are becoming one of the most hated groups in the USA. For good reason. Good riddance."

I'M AN EVANGELICAL!!!!!!
I understand that. I didn't say that I hate you. Yes, I dislike the path the evangelical movement has taken our country down. It frustrates me greatly. I don't hate anyone.

Hated probably was a bad term to use. I apologize.
You have now used that term twice regarding me. You said you hated Southerners in the pit thread and now evangelicals. I tend to believe that more than your fake apology.
8/19/2018 8:45 AM
Posted by cccp1014 on 8/19/2018 8:13:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 8/19/2018 12:01:00 AM (view original):

That was not my argument. One SHOULD be ABLE to if they choose. THAT is my argument. Hypocrisy of some should not diminish the liberty of others.

Fair enough.

Prior to all of this, the transgender person went to the bathroom that best suited their needs without any problems or notice and I am sure they wish it would have stayed that way.

Transgender people have been using the bathroom they wanted to for years. I am perfectly fine with it staying that way.

When it got to the point where men looking like men and who are not part of the LBGT community can decide they will enter women's dressing rooms we have created a problem rather than solve anything.

That's obviously terrible but people can do that regardless. As in there aren't security guards guarding a bathroom. Anything illegal they do is illegal regardless. I don't see how a regulation affects a chance of any of this happening.

It isn't overblown at all. Are we getting our heads chopped off? Of course not. But there can be restrictions and erosion of freedoms without beheadings.

Just to be clear, you are also OK with other religions doing this as well, right?

Massive failure except for the fact that they successfully expelled the Muslim hordes from the European continent.

They must not have done a good job, because there were still Muslims in Turkey and Spain and most of the decrease was before the Crusades.

When you quote Matthew 5:38-39, do you believe that you are not to defend yourself?

I don't know. I have never been in a position where I would have to defend myself to protect others. My best guess would be maybe if you did as minimally as possible as to try to have the least people hurt, with yourself being the person to get hurt if anyone were to?

I'll stand by belief here, that without centuries of Muslim aggression the Crusades would have never happened

That's true. That also doesn't make the Crusades justifiable.

Let's say our definition of religious freedom is 'Ability to practice religion without law taken against you in a public space'. You can change the definition if you want.

I agree that examples 1 and 2 are wrong, but I wouldn't put them under the category of religious freedom. #3 and 5 could be in the category, but I would need more info that it was due to religion and not other factors. I don't know what the answer is to #6, as I think both have fairly valid arguments, but again I just wouldn't be an ******* to people. Your last example I flat out disagree with, that isn't religious freedom as I understand it. You are talking about a group prayer before a legislative assembly? Please elaborate. I completely agree that #4 is a violation of religious freedom. So what now. What would defending religious freedom look like and when will it start happening?

No I had but one choice, and that was to vote Trump.

So you have explained why you like Trump, but why do you hate Hillary so much?

IRAN:
Ok, so the options here are
A. Don't sanction Iran in return for a promise of no nuclear activity, has the benefits of surveillance and at least a chance of success, along with less chance of a deadly war or revolution.
B. Sanction Iran, allows them to build nukes whenever they want, no surveillance, making people suffer even more with a chance of a collapse that history has already shown would be catastrophic.

I like option A better.


They don’t have the tech or money to build nukes. You give them money and they ll build em while giving the UN inspectors the runaround and use that money to fund Hezbollah and Hamas.
Yeah you need to prove this. The IAEA, while they report to the UN, is not the UN. Additionally, they have to lower uranium levels, which isn't a UN inspected thing.

Also with that logic how did North Korea get nukes?
8/19/2018 9:56 AM
Posted by tangplay on 8/19/2018 12:04:00 AM (view original):
Posted by all3 on 8/18/2018 11:22:00 PM (view original):
tang must be taking Argument 101 lessons from b_l: in one post he says "Christian Evangelicals are becoming one of the most hated groups in the USA", then a few posts later says "Christians have it VERY good in this country". Are they hated, or do they have it VERY good? Maybe it's only the silent Christians that have it VERY good? Can somebody sort this out for me, so I can let everyone at church in the morning know in they are hated, or if they have it VERY good.
lol, I think it can be both. Christian Evangelicals are pretty divisive. I am over here on the front lines in Kansas.

Also not everyone in Church is an evangelical. Many Christians, even Catholics are not.
More b_l-type BS. WTH makes you think Kansas is some sort of "front line" for Christian Evangelicals? The overwhelming majority of people in Kansas already believe what they believe and value what they value. The "front lines" for Evangelicals are the sewers like Philly, NYC and California, where Liberal Extremists want everything from the daily selection of gender to getting an abortion at any First Care to be acceptable.
8/19/2018 10:02 AM
Posted by strikeout26 on 8/19/2018 8:45:00 AM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 8/18/2018 9:52:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 8/18/2018 9:35:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 8/18/2018 6:08:00 PM (view original):
Posted by strikeout26 on 8/18/2018 5:51:00 PM (view original):
Posted by tangplay on 8/18/2018 5:36:00 PM (view original):
So you are sacrificing moral and religious values for political ones?

Honestly it stumps me why ANY Christian would vote for Trump. He is so anti Christian value that it is insane. It's a major reason why Christian Evangelicals are becoming one of the most hated groups in the USA. For good reason. Good riddance.
Glad to hear that you hate me!
When did I say that I hate you?
"It's a major reason why Christian Evangelicals are becoming one of the most hated groups in the USA. For good reason. Good riddance."

I'M AN EVANGELICAL!!!!!!
I understand that. I didn't say that I hate you. Yes, I dislike the path the evangelical movement has taken our country down. It frustrates me greatly. I don't hate anyone.

Hated probably was a bad term to use. I apologize.
You have now used that term twice regarding me. You said you hated Southerners in the pit thread and now evangelicals. I tend to believe that more than your fake apology.
Did I?
8/19/2018 10:03 AM
Most certainly. Quite a while back, so I am not going to search for it.
8/19/2018 10:14 AM
Welp if I did I apologize for that too.

Obviously I can't prove my sincerity so it's your choice whether to believe me or not.
8/19/2018 10:25 AM
How about you quit ragging people that you don't understand and then I may begin to believe you. You buy into stereotypes way too easily.
8/19/2018 10:28 AM
I can't argue with you. You are correct.
8/19/2018 12:19 PM
Sorry strikeout but I think all Leftists are F*CKING IDIOTS who have no idea what it is really like to live in a Socialist Country and need to STFU. I buy into that stereotype 100%. I think people like Charles Blow, Chris Cuomo, Van Jones, Matt Bai and Rachel Maddow are clueless dolts.
8/19/2018 12:43 PM
Rachel Maddow isn't a clueless dolt, from what little I have watched of her. My dad watches her a lot. He's BL left, watches MSNBC a lot.
8/19/2018 1:40 PM
Posted by tangplay on 8/19/2018 1:40:00 PM (view original):
Rachel Maddow isn't a clueless dolt, from what little I have watched of her. My dad watches her a lot. He's BL left, watches MSNBC a lot.
To each their own. Unlike Bad Luck, I won't insult your dad but to me Rachel Maddow is a hypocrite.
8/19/2018 3:00 PM
About what?
8/19/2018 3:52 PM
About income inequality and how the GOP is a party of greedy millionaires when she makes ~$7MM per year.
8/19/2018 4:18 PM
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