Thank you.

My approach isn’t saying use a lot of more money at one time. I get where you’re coming from. It’s basically 12 more bucks “up front” and the same amount in the long run. Instead of always having 0 seasons in your account, have 1 always. You buy that season the day of job cycle anyways. And with the less time wasted discussing it and less stress due to the threat of losing teams, having 1 season always instead of 0 is worth it.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/15/2020 7:54:00 PM (view original):
Thank you.

My approach isn’t saying use a lot of more money at one time. I get where you’re coming from. It’s basically 12 more bucks “up front” and the same amount in the long run. Instead of always having 0 seasons in your account, have 1 always. You buy that season the day of job cycle anyways. And with the less time wasted discussing it and less stress due to the threat of losing teams, having 1 season always instead of 0 is worth it.

It's sensible - I'll see if I can be disciplined enough going forward.

ill chime in here in defense of those who dont renew in time and still want their teams back. i get the whole issue of the loophole, i dont think that has ever happened to me, i guess because im d3 or d2 and my teams are not really in high demand? or because i renew before anyone applies? not sure... but i can gauruntee you ive missed renewal a fair number of times.

here's why.

my excitement for the game has dwindled a little over the years, to the point where im not sure i want to actually pay to play it. unfortunately i am not one of the elite coaches who have $8,637 in game credit due to successful NT runs. But i am usually halfway decent enough where i have just enough credit to get by. like e8, sw16 , sw16 e8, sw 16 etc.

so very often i am waiting on the credit from that season just played in order to purchase the next season. there is a window of 24 hours in which to get that done, but sometimes i forget (since im moping about having been knocked out in the sw16 several days earlier).

just explaining how its possible.

Posted by oldave on 4/15/2020 8:52:00 PM (view original):
ill chime in here in defense of those who dont renew in time and still want their teams back. i get the whole issue of the loophole, i dont think that has ever happened to me, i guess because im d3 or d2 and my teams are not really in high demand? or because i renew before anyone applies? not sure... but i can gauruntee you ive missed renewal a fair number of times.

here's why.

my excitement for the game has dwindled a little over the years, to the point where im not sure i want to actually pay to play it. unfortunately i am not one of the elite coaches who have $8,637 in game credit due to successful NT runs. But i am usually halfway decent enough where i have just enough credit to get by. like e8, sw16 , sw16 e8, sw 16 etc.

so very often i am waiting on the credit from that season just played in order to purchase the next season. there is a window of 24 hours in which to get that done, but sometimes i forget (since im moping about having been knocked out in the sw16 several days earlier).

just explaining how its possible.

+1
oldave hit it spot on.

Posted by Benis on 4/15/2020 3:49:00 PM (view original):
I told y'all this was gonna be a fun thread

"this is not a gambling game, this is a for-fun game, and enjoyment needs to retain first position over all other considerations. its not just for fun, first and foremost - that's the entire point - nobody plays this for the money."

I partially disagree. 1st of all, Ab has openly stated he plays this game for money. You can win real money via amazon gift cards and the really successful coaches have gotten a few bucks that way.

But those folks are the minority. While this is a just for fun game, it is an expensive means of having fun for a lot of people. Some of us who have been playing for free for years tend to forget that. I'm sure many people on here can share that they've spent hundreds of dollars over the years on this game.

I think bbunch has handled this well. I also think most people commenting on this thread have handled it well too. Are some people giving him a hard time? Sure. Is everyone calling for his head and unequivocally calling him a cheater until the end of time? Definitely not. I think overall most people have been pretty fair and understanding - especially considering how these forums usually operate. Thewiz got it WAAAAY worse when the WE bug was exposed (although he handled it WAY worse as well).

I'll admit, the fact that bbunch did it again a week later was quite hilarious.

i agree most folks are being pretty reasonable, its just a lot for one guy to have a dozen or two posts about something like this, and i tend to think the guy openly discussing the situation and talking about how he plans to avoid taking an advantage in session 2 - that's not the guy we should be worried about.

i know you can technically make a little money - and that plenty of people rightly lose a meaningful amount. but its essentially normal pay to enjoy entertainment; this functions much more like a netflix subscription than betting on sports or playing poker. ill concede there's a gradient between those kinds of activities, and HD does fall somewhere in the middle - but i think its pretty fair to say its *far* closer to netflix than hold 'em. and as such, i think we all need to recognize the pointlessness in taking this TOO seriously. if someone is getting a small advantage over someone else, i mean, its just not that huge of deal - it happens based on in-game factors 100 different ways - and ideally there'd be nothing beyond that. but if there is a small amount beyond that? i think its totally not worth ruining someone else's experience over.

i also think its far easier to ruin someone else's experience in this sort of situation, over fair play type issues, than many folks are realizing here in this thread.

I disagree in a major way man. If someone actually wanted to take advantage of this loophole they could get rings upon rings at others people expense for money and fun.

I don’t think bbunch is doing that though.

Posted by Benis on 4/15/2020 3:49:00 PM (view original):
I told y'all this was gonna be a fun thread

"this is not a gambling game, this is a for-fun game, and enjoyment needs to retain first position over all other considerations. its not just for fun, first and foremost - that's the entire point - nobody plays this for the money."

I partially disagree. 1st of all, Ab has openly stated he plays this game for money. You can win real money via amazon gift cards and the really successful coaches have gotten a few bucks that way.

But those folks are the minority. While this is a just for fun game, it is an expensive means of having fun for a lot of people. Some of us who have been playing for free for years tend to forget that. I'm sure many people on here can share that they've spent hundreds of dollars over the years on this game.

I think bbunch has handled this well. I also think most people commenting on this thread have handled it well too. Are some people giving him a hard time? Sure. Is everyone calling for his head and unequivocally calling him a cheater until the end of time? Definitely not. I think overall most people have been pretty fair and understanding - especially considering how these forums usually operate. Thewiz got it WAAAAY worse when the WE bug was exposed (although he handled it WAY worse as well).

I'll admit, the fact that bbunch did it again a week later was quite hilarious.

Confirmed. I don’t even enjoy it that much anymore, but 20 minutes a day nets me maybe 6 GC’s a year. Terrible hourly wage, but a man can only watch so much porn.

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/15/2020 11:28:00 PM (view original):
I disagree in a major way man. If someone actually wanted to take advantage of this loophole they could get rings upon rings at others people expense for money and fun.

I don’t think this loophole brings rings upon rings. At high D1 is where I’d look for the big impact of intentional 2-account cheating, someone doing it season after season to get extra funds for extra battles, without much risk of losing a team. The real impact of noticing someone doing this intentionally at any level is that they most likely have multiple accounts, and use them in tandem to gain another bigger advantage. By far, I think, using multiple accounts to get a double-sized scouting pool has more impact.

Posted by bbunch on 4/15/2020 6:48:00 PM (view original):

Posted by cregen7 on 4/15/2020 6:30:00 PM (view original):
Bbunch is on the Mt. Rushmore of IBA D2. One of the nicest coaches in the game. His NT previews were amazing and really got me into this game years ago.

I can’t believe he’d cheat like this. I’ve noticed him forgetting to renew over the years so many times but always just assumed it was an honest mistake. This is really shameful.

Cregen, I've disappointed as i've coached with you for a long time. I'm not cheating, all I have is my word. I'm just bad at keeping up with renewals.

Believe what you feel though. Read through the whole thread and consider how long I've been around here. This isn't what I do. I've got like a 10+ year history playing this game not using loopholes. I didn't just start recently.

As I stated with my alt ID, you're not the cheating kind.

Well, round 2 started of recruiting, and no extra recruiting cash. Either it was closed or they read my ticket, I dont know.

In my WIS support ticket, it says that the loophole was just closed recently. We will see.

Posted by bbunch on 4/16/2020 10:45:00 AM (view original):
In my WIS support ticket, it says that the loophole was just closed recently. We will see.

oh nice.

benis, can you make the next thread one about how dumb it is the sim will replace perfectly good walkons with terrible scholarship players even under an active coach who literally just cut someone to open said spot?

Posted by gillispie1 on 4/16/2020 10:47:00 AM (view original):

Posted by bbunch on 4/16/2020 10:45:00 AM (view original):
In my WIS support ticket, it says that the loophole was just closed recently. We will see.

oh nice.

benis, can you make the next thread one about how dumb it is the sim will replace perfectly good walkons with terrible scholarship players even under an active coach who literally just cut someone to open said spot?

Good job WIS. I agree walk-ons should not be capped at 3. Let people who are trying to rebuild teams that have gone to **** rebuild their damn teams!

Posted by shoe3 on 4/16/2020 9:00:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Sportsbulls on 4/15/2020 11:28:00 PM (view original):
I disagree in a major way man. If someone actually wanted to take advantage of this loophole they could get rings upon rings at others people expense for money and fun.

I don’t think this loophole brings rings upon rings. At high D1 is where I’d look for the big impact of intentional 2-account cheating, someone doing it season after season to get extra funds for extra battles, without much risk of losing a team. The real impact of noticing someone doing this intentionally at any level is that they most likely have multiple accounts, and use them in tandem to gain another bigger advantage. By far, I think, using multiple accounts to get a double-sized scouting pool has more impact.

I disagree that high D1 would be the most effective way to do this. D3 would be bigger because in D3 you rarely have funds to battle. If you have double the funds, you can beat out any other D3 team in battles likely.