I think allmatt has a point.

Win more? Yeah, that's quite the strategy, General Patton.

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Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 11:34:00 AM (view original):
It's a dying game as the results of their changes. I don't think it will make a difference even if they change it back or make improvements to fix the mistakes they made. Most people won't want to start their dynasty over.

Maybe they made changes because it was a dying game. That's my guess.

I agree that the game was in decline. I think WIS could have avoided the decline by making some efforts over the last 3-4 years to market the game.

BUT, the game clearly needed to be better suited to mobile devices

AND, the game clearly needed improvement.

I would have preferred significant marketing coupled with iterative more modest improvements, but without change the game was going no where.

In my opinion the game was severely underpopulated but I wouldn't call it dying. It all comes down to the marketing. The game could have done well as it was previously designed but people just didn't learn about it. I NEVER see a flash ad from whatifsports when I'm browsing the internet and I'm an actual user on the site which means that they clearly aren't marketing to people based on their cookies.

It doesn't really all come down to marketing. I knew about the game and had no interest. The game tilted heavily in favor of the "big" schools and, if you got there too late, your fate was set. If you were content to go 20-11 while 15-20 schools went 33-1 or 32-2 while rotating in the E8 you could play. If you hoped to get a shot at the F4, you had to hope a user died so you could get one of those schools.

And, FWIW, no one can scream "Realism!!!" and have coaches at the same school for 60-80 seasons. I'm sure term limits at schools would have went over really well.

For Mike and spud why don't you guys just win more? I took 2 different D+ BCS schools and turned them into A schools recently, I did it against these so called "I got here 1st" elite schools. It sounds more and more that you guys just suck at the game and don't want to take the time to learn it and get better. So u wanted seble to make it so u could compete but that still hasn't worked.

I guess if I were you too I would just win more, sounds pretty easy to me

Uh, this was my first season in 10 years. Maybe you should understand what you're talking about before you start posting.

And yet you post about HD like you Think your an 80 season vet? Maybe don't act you know it all if it's only your 1st season, maybe just listen to the vets that do know instead of arguing with them all the time. That's what I did for many many seasons, like reading every post Gillespie/billyG posted and learning what the ones that do know where willing to teach.

+1

Thems the breaks, bro.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 4:56:00 PM (view original):
Win more? Yeah, that's quite the strategy, General Patton.

I was thinking Al Davis.

I don't think that the whole "look at how good I was in 2.0 though" response bears much weight to those of us who joined the game just to check out 3.0. To us, it all sounds like "but look, I got really good at this version of the game and want to keep winning without changing my strategy", to which we all want to reply with "yeah, that's the problem". I totally understand questioning the logic, pointing out flaws, and suggesting changes to the new system (which many people do, and I generally give their posts a hearty +1), but ad nauseam complaints about how the game used to work better to your liking just start up the same exact arguments that happen on 75% of threads now.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 4:56:00 PM (view original):
Win more? Yeah, that's quite the strategy, General Patton.

I was thinking Al Davis.

I don't think that the whole "look at how good I was in 2.0 though" response bears much weight to those of us who joined the game just to check out 3.0. To us, it all sounds like "but look, I got really good at this version of the game and want to keep winning without changing my strategy", to which we all want to reply with "yeah, that's the problem". I totally understand questioning the logic, pointing out flaws, and suggesting changes to the new system (which many people do, and I generally give their posts a hearty +1), but ad nauseam complaints about how the game used to work better to your liking just start up the same exact arguments that happen on 75% of threads now.

Actually its more like 25%. There are only maybe like 5 users left in these forums who ALWAYS post something negative about 3.0.

Then they must post a lot.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 5:09:00 PM (view original):
Then they must post a lot.

Sigh, they do.

Disclaimer - I'm also a n00b (as Benis and other DIII conference-mates can attest to), but being new to the game shouldn't discourage people from taking place in forum discussions. The issue is the negativity - a lot of good discussion gets completely taken over by superiority complexes (Mike, spud) and people trying to correct superiority complexes (...every other user?). I love when I see a good strategy thread that I can learn from, but they're much less common than these types of hijacked threads now. I'm just looking at the forums trying to procrastinate doing any actual work - some of these childish arguments make me actually want to get back to it. Almost.

Every thread that goes over 3 pages devolves to the same thing. "Game sucks now, no realism, I'm gonna quit."

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 5:10:00 PM (view original):
Every thread that goes over 3 pages devolves to the same thing. "Game sucks now, no realism, I'm gonna quit."

I don't know about that. But I do know this its usually the same people over and over again who post negative issues every single thread they post in.

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Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 4:56:00 PM (view original):
Win more? Yeah, that's quite the strategy, General Patton.

I was thinking Al Davis.

I don't think that the whole "look at how good I was in 2.0 though" response bears much weight to those of us who joined the game just to check out 3.0. To us, it all sounds like "but look, I got really good at this version of the game and want to keep winning without changing my strategy", to which we all want to reply with "yeah, that's the problem". I totally understand questioning the logic, pointing out flaws, and suggesting changes to the new system (which many people do, and I generally give their posts a hearty +1), but ad nauseam complaints about how the game used to work better to your liking just start up the same exact arguments that happen on 75% of threads now.

Good observation. As to anyone with a "superiority complex" (LOL) read the posts for yourself. Don't follow the clowns; there's no one there worth following.

Overall, it’s a rejuvenated game as a result of the changes WIS made. A few “veterans” who found it easy to stay at the top are distressed that there is more competition now; some are vocal about it. That isn’t a problem with the game.

At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

But if you get the odds the dice roll is always going to go your way? Are you talking about gameplay or recruting?

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Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

But if you get the odds the dice roll is always going to go your way? Are you talking about gameplay or recruting?

Recruiting. The odds in craps are never better than even.