Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

This statement is about as dumb as it gets. If you actually believe this, you have not thought very hard, or very well, about the game that exists. It is literally nothing like craps. The skill now is in prioritization, and how you plan for contingencies; in developing efficient scouting processes that uncover good matches for you; in developing a variety of recruiting tactics to use in different situations, because extreme risk aversion is no longer a dominant recruiting strategy, and the vast majority of valuable recruits will need to be fought for. It takes more skill, more planning, and more flexibility to get excellent results. Stop with the "craps" garbage.

Posted by shoe3 on 12/19/2016 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

This statement is about as dumb as it gets. If you actually believe this, you have not thought very hard, or very well, about the game that exists. It is literally nothing like craps. The skill now is in prioritization, and how you plan for contingencies; in developing efficient scouting processes that uncover good matches for you; in developing a variety of recruiting tactics to use in different situations, because extreme risk aversion is no longer a dominant recruiting strategy, and the vast majority of valuable recruits will need to be fought for. It takes more skill, more planning, and more flexibility to get excellent results. Stop with the "craps" garbage.

It's not dumb. It's exactly what it's like. On a whole skill doesn't determine how good of a team you create, luck does. You can be very unlucky and lose every battle you're in because signing someone doesn't matter how good you are at recruiting anymore, it matters if you're lucky enough to have RNG go your way.

Posted by shoe3 on 12/19/2016 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

This statement is about as dumb as it gets. If you actually believe this, you have not thought very hard, or very well, about the game that exists. It is literally nothing like craps. The skill now is in prioritization, and how you plan for contingencies; in developing efficient scouting processes that uncover good matches for you; in developing a variety of recruiting tactics to use in different situations, because extreme risk aversion is no longer a dominant recruiting strategy, and the vast majority of valuable recruits will need to be fought for. It takes more skill, more planning, and more flexibility to get excellent results. Stop with the "craps" garbage.

^^^ this.

The point is that there is no such thing as being good at craps, you just play "right." Just like recruiting in this game. You can't be good at recruiting anymore, you can only play it the "right" way.

Do you accept when you have the better team but still lose games?

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 6:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/19/2016 6:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

But if you get the odds the dice roll is always going to go your way? Are you talking about gameplay or recruting?

Recruiting. The odds in craps are never better than even.

You can have something like 80%- 60% on effort or 100% 99.9% on effort. The 80-60 will be more lopsided and the one with 100-99.9 on effort will be determine by coin flip. Nothing is random.

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 6:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 12/19/2016 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

This statement is about as dumb as it gets. If you actually believe this, you have not thought very hard, or very well, about the game that exists. It is literally nothing like craps. The skill now is in prioritization, and how you plan for contingencies; in developing efficient scouting processes that uncover good matches for you; in developing a variety of recruiting tactics to use in different situations, because extreme risk aversion is no longer a dominant recruiting strategy, and the vast majority of valuable recruits will need to be fought for. It takes more skill, more planning, and more flexibility to get excellent results. Stop with the "craps" garbage.

It's not dumb. It's exactly what it's like. On a whole skill doesn't determine how good of a team you create, luck does. You can be very unlucky and lose every battle you're in because signing someone doesn't matter how good you are at recruiting anymore, it matters if you're lucky enough to have RNG go your way.

Users continue to reveal the depth of their understanding of the game. Obviously shoe gets it and the other guy understands it at the level of a coin flip or RNG. No news here ...

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 6:18:00 PM (view original):
Do you accept when you have the better team but still lose games?

logical fallacy...

Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/19/2016 6:19:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 6:09:00 PM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/19/2016 6:00:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

But if you get the odds the dice roll is always going to go your way? Are you talking about gameplay or recruting?

Recruiting. The odds in craps are never better than even.

You can have something like 80%- 60% on effort or 100% 99.9% on effort. The 80-60 will be more lopsided and the one with 100-99.9 on effort will be determine by coin flip. Nothing is random.

It is random. One person has 80% chance of winning, the other has 60% chance. THAT IS RNG.

Posted by CoachSpud on 12/19/2016 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 6:17:00 PM (view original):

Posted by shoe3 on 12/19/2016 6:13:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 5:58:00 PM (view original):
At this point the game is no longer about skill though. It's similar to playing craps. You do your best to get the odds to even and then hope the dice go your way.

This statement is about as dumb as it gets. If you actually believe this, you have not thought very hard, or very well, about the game that exists. It is literally nothing like craps. The skill now is in prioritization, and how you plan for contingencies; in developing efficient scouting processes that uncover good matches for you; in developing a variety of recruiting tactics to use in different situations, because extreme risk aversion is no longer a dominant recruiting strategy, and the vast majority of valuable recruits will need to be fought for. It takes more skill, more planning, and more flexibility to get excellent results. Stop with the "craps" garbage.

It's not dumb. It's exactly what it's like. On a whole skill doesn't determine how good of a team you create, luck does. You can be very unlucky and lose every battle you're in because signing someone doesn't matter how good you are at recruiting anymore, it matters if you're lucky enough to have RNG go your way.

Users continue to reveal the depth of their understanding of the game. Obviously shoe gets it and the other guy understands it at the level of a coin flip or RNG. No news here ...

LOL!! That is what RNG is though. Just because the odds aren't 50/50 doesn't mean something isn't RNG.

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 6:18:00 PM (view original):
Do you accept when you have the better team but still lose games?

logical fallacy...

Of course that's your answer.

You do everything in your power to build the best team. And you might be favored in all your games. But you lose 2-3 and you don't come in here screaming "NO SKILL, ALL RANDOM!!!" Yet, when you lose a recruiting battle, it's all random bullshit.

Insane.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 6:23:00 PM (view original):

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 6:20:00 PM (view original):

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 6:18:00 PM (view original):
Do you accept when you have the better team but still lose games?

logical fallacy...

Of course that's your answer.

You do everything in your power to build the best team. And you might be favored in all your games. But you lose 2-3 and you don't come in here screaming "NO SKILL, ALL RANDOM!!!" Yet, when you lose a recruiting battle, it's all random bullshit.

Insane.

The recruiting is designed to use RNG...you realize that right? You're arguing against something that is a fact.

Posted by metsmaniac2 on 12/19/2016 6:17:00 PM (view original):
The point is that there is no such thing as being good at craps, you just play "right." Just like recruiting in this game. You can't be good at recruiting anymore, you can only play it the "right" way.

This

No, I'm arguing that you'll accept a game result that shouldn't happen but whine about losing a recruiting battle. It's the same concept. You do everything you can to tilt the scales in your favor. Then the program runs and gives you the outcome.

Posted by MikeT23 on 12/19/2016 6:28:00 PM (view original):
No, I'm arguing that you'll accept a game result that shouldn't happen but whine about losing a recruiting battle. It's the same concept. You do everything you can to tilt the scales in your favor. Then the program runs and gives you the outcome.

The difference is that teams and players can have off nights which accounts for a REASON to utilize RNG. There is no reason to use RNG for recruiting.

The only thing RNG does in recruiting is help people that are bad at the game.