No it really was 55% to 45%

And APs are very powerful.

Posted by pkoopman on 12/23/2016 10:59:00 AM (view original):
Odds are stretched, so your effort advantage wasn't 55-45, it was closer than that.

At D2, with 1 scholarship, you only have 5k. So to go "all-in" on a recruit, he has to be *very* local. Putting all your APs on him isn't going all-in. APs are nowhere near as powerful as visits. You're much better off using some of those APs to establish a foothold on backups (if it's important to your team not to take walk-ons). You gave yourself a good chance fighting an uphill battle on a not-completely local kid against a D1 with only one scholarship. If you'd actually been able to go all-in - i.e., if the kid was a local - your odds would have been much better. 5 HVs is a big impact.

I've been asking if he developed backup plan or not and he hasn't responded to that answer.

Posted by Benis on 12/23/2016 11:04:00 AM (view original):
No it really was 55% to 45%

And APs are very powerful.

So we're being shown effort advantage, not signing odds? Where did you hear that?

5 extra APs per cycle - about what he would would have to spend to unlock a backup - are not even close to the impact of 5 HVs on the standing of a battle. Sure they're powerful, but relatively speaking, it isn't a contest.

Yeah he could have unlocked a backup, he's not complaining that he's screwed. He's just saying that now you can see the signing odds, it doesn't change that he lost a battle that was basically 50/50. Or that he was actually ahead and in 2.0 he would have won.

He spent over 800 APs. That is quite a few.

Ah I get what you're saying PK about effort. Yeah we don't know what the effort differential was and since it was against a sim, we'll never know.

700 APs over that time frame is also a lot. That 100 AP difference isn't a huge impact. If he was able to put in 5 more HVs - go all-in on effort - that would have been a much bigger impact, from the battles I've experienced.

I dont mean this to be a critique of his method. He made his choice and went after the kid he wanted, and put himself in a pretty good position against a higher level sim (and sims do recruit more intelligently and less predictably now, which is good, IMO). Just noting that going all-in for APs isn't going all-in.

I don't mind, I unlocked a back-up which is why I am 36.9 AP a cycle into the recruit. The back-up got signed, but I had another back-up, hopefully I open scholly in time.

AP is not that important... I have data to back it up on a previous battle I was in. I am sure préférences, start, and prestige are more important.

My evaluation is that 120 AP = 1HV (depending on the division on the prestige, it is ajusted.)

I had a back-up, he asked for a scholly but I went from a two stars D1 player (high risk, don't mind losing him) to a player to develop, a defensive gem. It changes my team in the future. But it's the game. That is why I think D2 should understand when a D1 comes in late on their target and gets it.

Posted by zorzii on 12/23/2016 12:09:00 PM (view original):
I don't mind, I unlocked a back-up which is why I am 36.9 AP a cycle into the recruit. The back-up got signed, but I had another back-up, hopefully I open scholly in time.

AP is not that important... I have data to back it up on a previous battle I was in. I am sure préférences, start, and prestige are more important.

My evaluation is that 120 AP = 1HV (depending on the division on the prestige, it is ajusted.)

I had a back-up, he asked for a scholly but I went from a two stars D1 player (high risk, don't mind losing him) to a player to develop, a defensive gem. It changes my team in the future. But it's the game. That is why I think D2 should understand when a D1 comes in late on their target and gets it.

Interesting - I always thought it was like 60, but I honestly don't know where I got that figure from - maybe it came in a dream LOL. That's what I have been using though.

In my battle with Alabama D1, we figured it could not be 60 or he would have dropped me to moderate.

60 AP = HV has been bandied about in this forum many times. Not a dream.

Of course, I can't be sure it wasn't you saying it. I just know I read it.

It's more than 60.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2016 12:44:00 PM (view original):
It's more than 60.

Agreed. It probably has to do with prestige too and division prestige also. A+ AP is Worth more than D AP. D1, A+ D2, is less than D1 D... I think.

Posted by chapelhillne on 12/23/2016 12:10:00 PM (view original):

Posted by zorzii on 12/23/2016 12:09:00 PM (view original):
I don't mind, I unlocked a back-up which is why I am 36.9 AP a cycle into the recruit. The back-up got signed, but I had another back-up, hopefully I open scholly in time.

AP is not that important... I have data to back it up on a previous battle I was in. I am sure préférences, start, and prestige are more important.

My evaluation is that 120 AP = 1HV (depending on the division on the prestige, it is ajusted.)

I had a back-up, he asked for a scholly but I went from a two stars D1 player (high risk, don't mind losing him) to a player to develop, a defensive gem. It changes my team in the future. But it's the game. That is why I think D2 should understand when a D1 comes in late on their target and gets it.

Interesting - I always thought it was like 60, but I honestly don't know where I got that figure from - maybe it came in a dream LOL. That's what I have been using though.

No.. we thought it was around 160 in BETA. But really no proof.

Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2016 9:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/23/2016 6:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2016 6:34:00 AM (view original):
Right, exactly.

Seriously, were you all in? Did the other guy have prestige or preference advantages?

I would say 40-50% above the person you're battling should cover the evil coin flip. Wouldn't you say TrentonJoe?

Once you get to 70-30 there is no "coin flip".

I don't think this is accurate, as confirmed by tickets with CS. I lost a coin flip where I was leading the battle roughly 85-15.

Posted by snafu4u on 12/24/2016 8:48:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2016 9:13:00 AM (view original):

Posted by CoachWard95 on 12/23/2016 6:38:00 AM (view original):

Posted by Trentonjoe on 12/23/2016 6:34:00 AM (view original):
Right, exactly.

Seriously, were you all in? Did the other guy have prestige or preference advantages?

I would say 40-50% above the person you're battling should cover the evil coin flip. Wouldn't you say TrentonJoe?

Once you get to 70-30 there is no "coin flip".

I don't think this is accurate, as confirmed by tickets with CS. I lost a coin flip where I was leading the battle roughly 85-15.

He means 70-30 in effort I think?